Gnome 2 or 3?

Mr Green · 2011-11-06 01:25:35

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851

Interesting article

pablokal · 2011-11-06 05:31:57

This is all about user empowerment and taking users seriously; why would you go to Linux to be as dependent on the developers as in Windows or MAC?
This is an interesting story and it sounds good; hope the user experience will live up to it.
And it is a great thing Linux Mint has been able to grow so much as to threaten the position of Ubuntu.

ArchVortex · 2011-11-06 05:44:59

If only Gnome and KDE looked upon their users the way Clem and his team look upon Mint users.

Mr Green · 2011-11-06 09:13:04

I have tried Gnome3 and I just could not get on with it, if Mint can blend and get it right or even allow users to build it as they want then it maybe a winner.

Gnome2 is only available via the fork Mate [loaded this morning in Archbang]

Looking forward to trying Mint12 in the near future

Kruppt · 2011-11-06 09:55:44

pablokal wrote:

This is all about user empowerment and taking users seriously; why would you go to Linux to be as dependent on the developers as in Windows or MAC?
This is an interesting story and it sounds good; hope the user experience will live up to it.
And it is a great thing Linux Mint has been able to grow so much as to threaten the position of Ubuntu.

Ditto....Yeah exactly...glad Linux Mint started building off Debian instead of Ubuntu too.
The whole idea of GNU/Linux "was" about user/developer/IT empowerment.
Freedom from binary tyranny. Most seek the path of least resistance.
They want a FREE OS that works just like click and cruise Winblows,
problem is I've watched that crowd turn a Porsche into a Volkswagen.
It's all about cutesy show and no go.
Like driving around in one of those candy colored Volkswagen's LMAO!!

ArchVortex · 2011-11-06 10:25:47

Kruppt wrote:

Like driving around in one of those candy colored Volkswagen's LMAO!!

Or one of those great looking kit cars with gull-wing doors and a Volkswagen engine.

Gnome 3 completely sucked when I tried it. You had to install so many extensions just to get it somewhat productive. Non-intuitive just like Unity on WinMacBuntu. I think Gnome shouldn't have called it Gnome 3 and went with new name like G-Shell or something like that because it is nothing like Gnome 2.

Kruppt · 2011-11-06 10:32:21

ArchVortex wrote:

Kruppt wrote:
Like driving around in one of those candy colored Volkswagen's LMAO!!
Or one of those great looking kit cars with gull-wing doors and a Volkswagen engine.
Gnome 3 completely sucked when I tried it. You had to install so many extensions just to get it somewhat productive. Non-intuitive just like Unity on WinMacBuntu. I think Gnome shouldn't have called it Gnome 3 and went with new name like G-Shell or something like that because it is nothing like Gnome 2.

Yeah..yeah...I like your illustration...more to the point. LOL!!

archy · 2011-11-09 09:19:28

people should left oscurantism and move to gnomo 3! but u need lots of ram(4 gb ) and nice processor...

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pablokal · 2011-11-09 14:18:22

people should leave obscurantism

Obscurantism (French: obscurantisme, from the Latin obscurans, "darkening") is the practice of deliberately preventing the facts or the full details of some matter from becoming known. There are two, common, historical and intellectual, denotations: 1) restricting knowledge—opposition to the spread of knowledge, a policy of withholding knowledge from the public, and, 2) deliberate obscurity—an abstruse style (as in literature and art) characterized by deliberate vagueness.

source Wikipedia

Taking the first meaning I would argue that gnome 3 fosters obscurantism as it takes the knowledge away from the user on many levels: forcing an under desktop users unpopular interface, that is mimicking devices like Ipad and IPhone, that make the user totally ignorant of the underlying processes of the OS. Secondly by making it much more difficult to change the gnome 3 configuration because in stead of configuration all kind of added software needs to be installed to recreate old functionality. Three by ignoring and ridiculing strong user opposition against the direction gnome has gone and thus making before functional knowledge obsolete.

archy · 2011-11-12 14:24:48

well..this going to kick Buntus ass: mint 12 released

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1858

Mr Green · 2011-11-12 14:51:13

Its RC but still worth a look

ArchVortex · 2011-11-12 19:18:28

Gnome 3 with training wheels. Linux Mint LXDE FTW!!

Mr Green · 2011-11-13 02:38:58

This is very true

archy · 2011-11-15 07:22:52

only weird people doesn't like gnomo 3:

Japanlinux · 2011-11-15 18:32:27

Is that pinguy? I am not a huge fan of gnome 3 (though I wasn't a huge fan of 2 either...) but the pinguy setup of 3 makes it LOOK a lot more palpable to me. I'll stick with archbang though as my 16gb laptop doesn't exactly have room for experimenting too much.

archy · 2011-11-15 18:41:03

Yep! http://blog.pinguyos.com/post/127838792 … a-released

kazuya · 2011-11-17 04:16:09

mint 12 seems very nice. Thanks for the heads up on mate. I might try to get that installed too and try it out for the gnome 2 urge. I seem to like gnome 3 alot more now just because gnome 2 feels dated. However, gnome 2 did give a whole lot more flexibility and customization power to the end user.

Time to test it out via mate

Kruppt · 2011-11-17 10:46:50

http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/11/09/ … l-new-guis

For Bumtu,
Unity,
Gnome and GUI click and go pretty much nowhere humor. LOL!!

Mr Green · 2011-11-17 14:02:04

Due to a few things I don't feel comfortable enough releasing this as a final. A few of the used apps are still in the alpha/beta stage and there is a few quirks like some of the proprietary drivers breaking the text and flash in Shell.
Gnome Shell is still pretty new and does need a little bit more work. The fallback mode is just about usable but isn't ideal. As Shell needs 3D drivers to work and the proprietary drivers are breaking flash I can't in good conscience release this as a stable release due to the current state of the fallback mode and Shell needing 3D.
Shell does work well if the open source drivers are working so for most people this shouldn't be an issue, but people that need to install the proprietary drivers to get shell working have reported a few problems. I have tested this on ATI and Intel graphics cards and haven't had any issues with the open source drivers.
I am very doubtful that there will be another release of the 11.10. Until Shell can work without 3D acceleration I am not happy calling this a stable product. Some work on this is being done over at Fedora so this will be possible soon but not just yet. I don't feel Gnome 3.2 is mature enough to be called a stable product and thats why Pinguy OS 11.10 will stay as a beta release.

Think I will stick with Minimal Ubuntu

ArchVortex · 2011-11-17 20:15:07

Kruppt wrote:

For Bumtu,
Unity,
Gnome and GUI click and go pretty much nowhere humor. LOL!!

Agreed!! Just tried Shell on ArchLinux and CRASH!! Thought I was using KDE for a second

Tried Gnome3 on Sabayon and it is not a Linux desktop. It is an Android desktop waiting for a small touchscreen monitor or tablet. And it is still as Linus said, "An unholy mess." Pinguy in the picture looks like a modified Mac wannabe that couldn't afford to pay Apple's prices plus it's severely bloated with programs. You know the new Gnome is bad if Antoni won't/can't take Pinguy out of beta.

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Gnome 2 or 3?

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