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#1 2014-06-04 13:26:22

oliver
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Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

As you may or may not know, Artoo has a github repo where he has prepared source files for anyone to build a systemd-free version of Archbang.  I took the liberty of downloading, building and uploading the ISOs and you're free to try them out

Dual architecture (1019mb)
https://mega.co.nz/#!9osgyaxI!ZgKNW9zEN … nsWGU9YduU

i686 (493mb)
https://mega.co.nz/#!xgtlARaa!8sU_9bqOf … P66lxGYFXw

x86_64 (529mb)
https://mega.co.nz/#!R5EUlCQT!f-72yWrDH … EIuehLUMHc

MD5s
https://mega.co.nz/#!Q5c33KpJ!o-tCj3nAw … cFksBwA2U8

Do remember that Arch is a moving target so my MD5 will differ from someone elses MD5 unless they were built with the same core apps from the Arch repos. Do make sure your downloaded ISO matches though

These are not official Archbang builds so the look and feel will be different to Mr Green's official ISO and there may be issues as yet undiscovered.   They are offered as a taster for you to try things out and to help with this project.

I plan on uploading new builds periodically but it will be triggered by changes in the source files or fortnightly.

Enjoy

https://github.com/udeved/archbang-qt-openrc

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#2 2014-06-04 15:11:40

artoo
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

Notes on current iso:

- artwork, theme, icons, etc are just placeholders until we have decided
- to install, use temporaily the arch install scripts:

You can add Archbang repos to pacman.conf.

[archbang-testing]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[openrc]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[aur-nosystemd]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[aur-archbang]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

You can do normal pacstrap according to arch install guide and install openrc & eudev afterwards.
Or you can try more experimental

pacstrap /mnt openrc-desktop

which leaves systemd. You would have to install eudev separately.
Or you could try

pacstrap /mnt eudev-base openrc-sys openrc-desktop

An installer will be added in a future release.

The entire iso represents currently a transitional iso regarding lxqt still depending on qt4, and positive changes with kf5 coming, which makes installing single kde apps way more attractive. The end result is hopefully a gtk and systemd free fast, modern slick desktop.

There seems to be an issue with upower-nosystemd and suspend/hibernate not working.
Please test upower-nosystemd-pmutils in [archbang-testing].

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#3 2014-06-04 22:24:53

handy
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

Thanks oliver & artoo.

Note: Some dev's from Manjaro, Bluesystems, KaOS (it is expected that dev's from other systems will join in, in the future) have layed out the basic structure for a modular, distro agnostic Arch/Manjaro based installer.

Such an installer is to be created that is easy for other distros to change the branding, artwork, order of pages & such, so as to suit their own distro. It will be QT5 based, so as to escape the constant need to make changes due to GTK.

Here is the current rundown according to Phil at Manjaro:

We started a new project on github called calamares. Lead will be taken by Teo first. So our team has developers from BlueSystems, Manjaro and KaOS for now. It is also full sponsored by BlueSystems. Here is our overview:

Calamares

Distribution-independent installer framework
Dependencies

    CMake >= 2.8.12
    Qt >= 5.3

Building


$ mkdir build
$ cd build
$ cmake ..
$ make


Design notes

Backend

    lib should only depend on QtCore >=5.3, possibly boost::python
    common functions like partitioning
    works as job queue and executor
    plugin based to let distro-specific tasks be done in a distro-specific order

Frontend

    QtWidgets >=5.3, other deps as needed
    themeable so branding can be done easily (plugin-based)
    presents a bunch of pages in a scripted order, enqueues jobs in the backend lib


We are still searchng for developers and artists. So also join our IRC #calamares on freenode!

Translation-Project: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/calamares/

Last edited by handy (2014-06-04 22:25:34)

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#4 2014-06-05 00:13:14

artoo
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

Thanks Handy,
sounds very nice and exactly what we need.
I will check it out. smile

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#5 2014-06-05 10:29:51

xtremyst
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Registered: 2011-11-21
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

Great work guys! Just tested the x86_64 version and it looks awesome.
I'm looking forward for the installer.
One question, is there any way for the user to choose between the classic
openbox right click menu that we had and the lx default one?

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#6 2014-06-05 10:35:39

artoo
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

xtremyst wrote:

Great work guys! Just tested the x86_64 version and it looks awesome.
I'm looking forward for the installer.
One question, is there any way for the user to choose between the classic
openbox right click menu that we had and the lx default one?

Hopefully, I am pretty sure, the dev of pcmanfm-qt will implement this feature, as it was possible with lxde to switch to openbox right click menu in lx session.
I suspect it will appear in desktop properties once its implemented.

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#7 2014-06-05 10:41:10

xtremyst
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

sweet! Thanks for the quick reply and all the good work you've put in this project.

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#8 2014-06-06 07:22:04

scjet
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Registered: 2010-12-01
Posts: 1,463

Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

artoo wrote:

Notes on current iso:

- artwork, theme, icons, etc are just placeholders until we have decided
- to install, use temporaily the arch install scripts:

You can add Archbang repos to pacman.conf.

[archbang-testing]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[openrc]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[aur-nosystemd]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

[aur-archbang]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://archbang.org/repos/$repo/$arch

You can do normal pacstrap according to arch install guide and install openrc & eudev afterwards.
Or you can try more experimental

pacstrap /mnt openrc-desktop

which leaves systemd. You would have to install eudev separately.
Or you could try

pacstrap /mnt eudev-base openrc-sys openrc-desktop

An installer will be added in a future release.

The entire iso represents currently a transitional iso regarding lxqt still depending on qt4, and positive changes with kf5 coming, which makes installing single kde apps way more attractive. The end result is hopefully a gtk and systemd free fast, modern slick desktop.

There seems to be an issue with upower-nosystemd and suspend/hibernate not working.
Please test upower-nosystemd-pmutils in [archbang-testing].


..using "dual" iso above: (on a spare laptop, in a NON-Vbox env):

[Edit]: BTW, this (openrc-lxqt) boots clean and snappy, much faster than with systemd, not that it should even matter which boots faster. wink

Anyway, I tried installing. as artoo mentioned, (in posts all over the place), via arch netinstall way, 
got wifi up, partitioned disks, mounted root partition -> /mnt, ..., but  there is no "pacstrap", or "genfstab", or, it's not in any $PATH's.

any ideas ???

Last edited by scjet (2014-06-06 08:28:49)

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#9 2014-06-06 08:31:50

pablokal
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

You can boot up an systemd AB release and chroot in the partition and do a base install.
Or chroot from a already installed partition .
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … trap_Image choose method 1 for instance.
It didnt work for me with the Openrc release.
Chrooting done this way:
Installing on partition sda15

sudo /bin/bash
mkdir /mnt/sda15
mount /dev/sda15 /mnt/sda15

cp -vf /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/sda15/etc
mount -t proc proc /mnt/sda15/proc
mount -t sysfs sys /mnt/sda15/sys
mount -o bind /dev /mnt/sda15/dev
chroot /mnt/sda15


Getting your questions answered here at ArchBang Forums
Please! Always give hardware info, if there is a chance that 's relevant: #lspci -vnn
On Arch(bang) and Openbox: http://stillstup.blogspot.com/

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#10 2014-06-06 08:53:45

scjet
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

@Pablo,
ahh ok, thanks, I'll try it again later,
we really need to setup a more concise step-by-step/line-by-line netinstall process for now, even just for testing puposes, for other Users as well, ,...
CLI's are fine by me, it's just that this is all over the map, right now,
..., meaning, the fancy GUI-Installer can be done later, as we progress.

I guess I'm getting a little lazy again, wanting my hend-held.
wink

Last edited by scjet (2014-06-06 09:13:54)

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#11 2014-06-06 14:47:13

artoo
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

scjet wrote:

Anyway, I tried installing. as artoo mentioned, (in posts all over the place), via arch netinstall way, 
got wifi up, partitioned disks, mounted root partition -> /mnt, ..., but  there is no "pacstrap", or "genfstab", or, it's not in any $PATH's.

any ideas ???

pacman -S arch-install-scripts

wink

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#12 2014-06-06 18:33:49

RudyLorren
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Registered: 2014-05-29
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

scjet wrote:

@Pablo,
ahh ok, thanks, I'll try it again later,
we really need to setup a more concise step-by-step/line-by-line netinstall process for now, even just for testing puposes, for other Users as well, ,...
CLI's are fine by me, it's just that this is all over the map, right now,
..., meaning, the fancy GUI-Installer can be done later, as we progress.

I guess I'm getting a little lazy again, wanting my hend-held.
wink


Please smile


I kind of got it working on the first try, but things certainly did not smoothly and I was sort of stabbing in the dark.

A guide on how to make the livecd the installed system would be very awesome.

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#13 2014-06-06 23:17:49

scjet
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From: Canada
Registered: 2010-12-01
Posts: 1,463

Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

artoo wrote:
scjet wrote:

Anyway, I tried installing. as artoo mentioned, (in posts all over the place), via arch netinstall way, 
got wifi up, partitioned disks, mounted root partition -> /mnt, ..., but  there is no "pacstrap", or "genfstab", or, it's not in any $PATH's.

any ideas ???

pacman -S arch-install-scripts

wink


Can you include "arch-install-scripts" in these .iso's ?

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#14 2014-06-07 01:48:44

artoo
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Registered: 2013-02-16
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Re: Artoo's Systemd-free build ISOs (download here)

scjet wrote:
artoo wrote:
scjet wrote:

Anyway, I tried installing. as artoo mentioned, (in posts all over the place), via arch netinstall way, 
got wifi up, partitioned disks, mounted root partition -> /mnt, ..., but  there is no "pacstrap", or "genfstab", or, it's not in any $PATH's.

any ideas ???

pacman -S arch-install-scripts

wink


Can you include "arch-install-scripts" in these .iso's ?

Yes, sure, forgot to include them after I put tribe fork on halt.

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