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#1 2012-11-13 08:12:29

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udev stabilization

This good news from the Gentoo Project List

To:    gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Richard Yao wrote:
Dear Everyone,

It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev
has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes
Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance
seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes
that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.'

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505

After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus'
concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to
eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other
things. We will announce the project later this week.

I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to
udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another
month so that we have time to get organized?

Yours truly,
Richard Yao


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#2 2012-11-13 14:43:56

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Re: udev stabilization

Thanks for letting us know.


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#3 2012-11-14 09:25:00

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Re: udev stabilization

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303

Somebody got called a "two faced lying weasel" by Linus. ROTFLMAO lol I've got a feeling that if Linus really wanted to, he could throw a wrench in systemd at the kernel level or at least really make life difficult if they continue to piss him off.


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#4 2012-11-14 10:16:46

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Re: udev stabilization

Bring back hotplug!


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#5 2012-11-14 10:23:02

oliver
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Re: udev stabilization

that is a very interesting thread... I'm leaning over to the no-systemd camp a little now :-)

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#6 2012-11-14 10:35:36

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Re: udev stabilization

Camping sucks! :-)


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#7 2012-11-14 11:05:49

oliver
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Re: udev stabilization

it really does... I had to go on a 'team building' camping expedition once.  It put me off for life.

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#8 2012-11-14 11:46:56

mastis
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Re: udev stabilization

Very interesting thread, love how straight forward Linus is.

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#9 2012-11-14 13:45:45

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Re: udev stabilization

Well, my first emotion about Linus' reaction is: "finally, you took a long time to wake up..."
I was amazed that people working on the kernel weren't pissed off before by what was/is happening....


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#10 2012-11-14 15:14:13

scjet
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Re: udev stabilization

I agree, what took the Linux kernel so long to realize this, but then again, the backlash of "systemD"uh issues/chains probably helped in prodding them along. It may be all for not, in the end, with such other "evil-empire" monstrosities, aka UEFI, ... but I'll try n keep my hopes up.

Oh ya, talking about UEFI:
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ … ol-1108677
Especially this part:

Whether that was Microsoft capitalising on the rise of IBM-PC clones, or Linux undercutting UNIX when it appeared on x86. And to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

mmm, Canonical anyone ?
That author sounded very pissed-off over "secure-boot",... -and I don't blame him.

As far as "camping", well, in the big picture of things, we've been naturally camping for tens of thousands of years, and what didn't kill us, made us stronger.
But, I admit, without Internet Camping, I'd be lost today.
wink

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#11 2012-11-14 15:30:31

Mr Green
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Re: udev stabilization

Give me an alternative? Upstart? OpenRC? Initscripts? I can only build isos with the tools I have short of rewriting archiso and forking Arch.

I like Linus smile he does not like camping either!


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#12 2012-11-14 15:33:36

scjet
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Re: udev stabilization

Mr Green wrote:

Give me an alternative? Upstart? OpenRC? Initscripts? I can only build isos with the tools I have short of rewriting archiso and forking Arch.

I like Linus smile he does not like camping either!

It's all good Mr.G, seriously, you're gaining a much more solid mechanical understanding of "systemd" on Arch, for better and/or worse. -for us ALL here.
No worries mate.

Don't mind me, but sometimes I just wish these two guys & Company would finally see eye-to-eye:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt, and Linus.
Sigh, albeit in a best-of-all perfect world(s),

(that's a compliment - btw)
Respectfully.

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#13 2012-11-14 16:25:01

handy
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Re: udev stabilization

pablokal wrote:

Well, my first emotion about Linus' reaction is: "finally, you took a long time to wake up..."
I was amazed that people working on the kernel weren't pissed off before by what was/is happening....

I wonder whether the amount of contributions (not all bad) that come from Red Hat had anything to do with the situation?

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