What other Linux OS are you running or distro hopping with besides AB?

WASD · 2012-01-29 05:50:50

hsngrms wrote:

Only ArchBang for months.

Same here I've found my distro. Although I'm aware that I have only really tested ~5 distros and/or window managers so if I give another distro a serious attempt I may start liking it more.

hsngrms · 2012-01-29 21:39:08

I'm sure, this will be if you testing other distros... I tried over 40 distro between 2008-2011

doug piston · 2012-01-31 20:02:10

I use 10.04 on my desktop that has been semi-convert to do only Android stuff.
2.6.32-37-preempt-bfs

Seemed to help with build times. Android AOSP + Arch do not play so nice.

xhc · 2012-01-31 20:51:39

4 years opensuse with kde4.. now only few days I am running ArchBang - I think, it will be on my harrdisk to everyday use ... maybe it will be my primar distro some day .. still I must to learn... by side Arch I am really feeling like linux user - arch way - and I like it :-)

scjet · 2012-02-02 07:03:48

... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.

Last edited by scjet (2012-02-02 07:13:15)

mike4ca · 2012-02-02 21:15:48

scjet wrote:

... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.

How do you like PCBSD and how does GhostBSD differ? I had tried some of the early PCBSD 9 test spins (a couple RCs, beta, etc). I was hoping for something lighter than their original KDE version. But even the lighter desktops still were high ram use and slow for me.

I am ok with BSD testing and discussions, now if you started talking about Haiku (the OS), now that may be a problem! Just kidding. I wonder how many of you just searched for Haiku?

scjet · 2012-02-02 23:44:42

mike4ca wrote:

scjet wrote:
... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.
How do you like PCBSD and how does GhostBSD differ? I had tried some of the early PCBSD 9 test spins (a couple RCs, beta, etc). I was hoping for something lighter than their original KDE version. But even the lighter desktops still were high ram use and slow for me.
I am ok with BSD testing and discussions, now if you started talking about Haiku (the OS), now that may be a problem! Just kidding. I wonder how many of you just searched for Haiku?

Hi, ya
Avoid any *BSD (RC's/Beta's...), err um I do anyway, 'cause they really aren't that stable yet, unless you're a "test" pilot. ?
However, the recent "Stable/Release" versions, that just came out as mentioned above, are ok.
I'm not going to compare them to Linux because the *BSD/Unix's are not distro's, they are completely different monolothic NetOS's, ..., just as different as Sun Solaris was to Linux.
At the app levels, though, they're both really Unix...

I use (Arch)Archbang, as a Desktop, a lot more these days than I use FreeBSD, for 2 reasons:
1./ Arch(Linux), to be honest, can be slightly more "forgiving"(driver-wise), with regards to the myriad of different hardware-PC devices. laptops', ... out there.
2./ "...Arch uses a BSD-style init framework, a tradeoff of flexibility for simplicity..." as well as a lot of other BSD-ish similarities that made both K.I.S.S
-unlike many other Linux distro's that just stick their "init" files, and configs,...,like bird-droppings, all over the damn place.

I only wish I had found Arch sooner. -Lol.

"...how does GhostBSD differ?"
PCBSD - uses CLI via BSD's "pkg_add", or via it's own "custom" GUI-Package-Mgr ("PBI's") ; similar to Arch's CLI with "pacman",
GhostBSD - uses only CLI via BSD's "pkg_add" ; also similar to Arch with "pacman".
The main difference, I found, is that GhostBSD does NOT use a GUI-pkg-manager, whereas PCBSD can.
But both PCBSD, and GhostBSD are completly built from, and dependent upon, the FreeBSD kernel/OS/userland/ports/packaging system, similar to what ArchBang is to Arch.
FreeBSD itself, like Arch, does not really use any GUI-pkg-manager, and they probably never will.

PCBSD, is bigger, and has been around a lot longer than GhostBSD.
However, imho, I like GHostBSD(LXDE) as a light DE to build upon / play with,
whereas, PCBSD (KDE/LXDE) tries to be more like the Ubumtu's/Windoze of the BSD's ? (hence why PCBSD uses more Ram than a slimmed-down GhostBSD)
-but again, this is also not a bad thing?, depending on the user and their comfortability levels, and needs, ...

Haiku -Lol.

Last edited by scjet (2012-02-03 01:46:57)

distrohopperarched · 2012-02-03 03:10:46

scjet wrote:

I only wish I had found Arch sooner. -Lol.

Well... that was my first reaction too. So now, I have to ask, does anyone know of anything better ? Just so that I don't regret using AB after..This is not a rhetorical question. But my guess is, you don't.

I read through most of the posts here and everybody is playing with Openbox/LXDE on Debian based distros. Or Gentoo. Even if Gentoo would prove to be faster (though I don't see how), I don't think I can be nagged with compile times and Sabayon just didn't felt as snappy as AB anyway. Packer is way too cool anyway. Something tells me that I'm stuck with AB.

One thing I didn't see anyone talk about here is Viperr (Fedora + OB) though.

pablokal · 2012-02-03 04:03:18

does anyone know of anything better ?

Slowly I am getting tired of all the update issues in Arch.
How much I like Arch in its design, I think the way packages are put out of testing is below the standards I would expect from a really classy distro.

I think that as soon as I break my first AB install, that lasts from february 2010 and I use daily, I will call it quits.

I know it will happen sooner or later.

Unless this improves, this incompetence in package release, I will go back to a rolling release of Debian as my main system; I have installed aptosid which gives me the same performance as Arch.
Siduction http://siduction.org/ tries to build on that, on Aptosid, but with a better community, that it tries to involve in its development.

distrohopperarched · 2012-02-03 06:08:56

pablokal wrote:

I have installed aptosid which gives me the same performance as Arch.
Sidux tries to build on that, on Aptosid, but with a better community, that it tries to involve in its development.

I really don't understand how you can break away from OB.

Yet, might I suggest?

Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian unstable ("sid") with the goal to provide a simple, fast, lightweight and cool environment.

Sidux and CrunchBang are the two distros I used long-term. I'd never go back to Sidux, and while #! is a master-piece, AB gives me a clearly noticeable performance boost. Same performance ? Try down-clocking your system a little and see if that's true. Also

Are these update issues due to a current transition or what ?

pablokal · 2012-02-03 07:18:33

I really don't understand how you can break away from OB.

I can't and I won't. The only real alternative for me is fluxbox. But to install openbox and get rid of xfce in aptosid is no big project.

And I made an error; it should be siduction instead of sidux in the above post: http://siduction.org/
And yes , I didn't time it but when I hit a keyboard short cut and, boom, the application is there, it is good enough for me.
I just hate waiting.

The update issues were always there , but are gradually getting worse; the last year and the last half year especially.

distrohopperarched · 2012-02-03 08:19:26

Maybe the latest iso is able to cope with updates better ? I had no problems updateing, except that I don't remember being asked for my root password since quite a while... could it be it's not because the same as my user pass ? :-?

ArchVortex · 2012-02-04 11:03:43

pablokal wrote:

Slowly I am getting tired of all the update issues in Arch.
How much I like Arch in its design, I think the way packages are put out of testing is below the standards I would expect from a really classy distro.
I think that as soon as I break my first AB install, that lasts from february 2010 and I use daily, I will call it quits.

As you know, I run ArchBang with testing repos and there has been almost 2 GB of updating this week in testing and I don't have a huge collection of packages. Some packages were updated 3-4 times. I run Gentoo which is also bleeding edge but there aren't nearly the updates or problems that Arch has. Had parts of Arch fail this week, broken packages and problems downloading from repositories. When I ran Pacman 4 for months in testing I had no problems. As soon as it got moved to [core] there were problems. Also not happy with Arch ATM.

hsngrms · 2012-02-04 20:13:43

I run Archbang w/ testing repos too. Yes, there are too many updates, but I didn't get any problem.

ArchVortex · 2012-02-05 01:00:14

I run 8 desktops on the testing repo partition. KDE crashed again (which is normal in testing) and some other stuff. I think texlive got updated three times in almost one day. VLC also.

I'm blaming upstream and Arch packagers both right now. It seems upstream is just dumping out packages without testing them and letting Arch testing be the testing ground. Arch testing doesn't have to add every package update and is pushing out packages too fast with users having to update too often. If a new package isn't a significant improvement or fixes serious bugs or security leaks then why push it out? I love being on the bleeding edge but not if my system is constantly running pacman -Syu 24 hours a day.

ancleessen4 · 2012-02-05 13:09:57

The wonderful distro(let) livarp (0.3.1)

http://arpinux.org/arpinux_reloaded/

Muliple wm's to choose on login;
"7 sessions available: available from live to install: dwm, echinuswm, evilwm, pekwm, wmfs, wmaker and compiz-standalone."

and breaking news... the dev 'arpinux' has presented a wmfs2 config that looks really cool;

http://browse.deviantart.com/customizat … /#/d4oqd6y

If you fancy trying a light, super fast debian distro(let) I would recommend giving livarp a spin.

(With the backports repo - http://wiki.debian.org/Backports - you can get more up to date debs+packages.. such as kernel 3.2.0.0.bpo.1-686-pae)

P.S. A close cousin to 'livarp' that I also like is 'aphelive' (0.3 alpha);

http://arpinux.org/x/doku.php/start:aphelive

Awesome wm -> http://awesome.naquadah.org/

Although in this case you will need some knowledge of French to translate the menus in Awesome.

I have a translated 'awesome.lua' file if anyone needs it - with my menu mods / additions, of course...

link to aphelive awesome.lua (english);

http://houghton.co/wp-content/uploads/2 … e.lua_.txt (rename to awesome.lua)

Aphelive is also super fast and the colour scheme is easy on the eyes... for all those hours of coding! + FAB conky

aphelive screenie;

and the menu I failed to capture first time round;

livarp-xs-dwm screenie;

Cheers.. et bonne nuit de Luxembourg.

Last edited by ancleessen4 (2012-02-05 14:14:03)

kazuya · 2012-02-05 21:03:45

I love archbang, but I too have noticed some of these issues per packages missing, etc and certain apps like dreamchess, gnome shell extensions, etc seem to not compile easily from AUR. And I have to agree that there are way too many updates when I pacman -Syu daily with no significant boost. Overall, system runs fine, but I am finding myself using my Pinguy 11.10 partition more. Flashplayer renders better in certain sites better than in my archbang install.
Having said this, I am still loving archbang, but I am more tempted to test out distros like vectorlinux 64 when it gets finalized.

Archbang still runs like a champ. I need to somehow iscover how to ensure my kernel does not get upgraded when doing my pacman -Syu. I like the performance as is. Sometimes I wish I could stay with the previous 2.6.37 kernel.

Last edited by kazuya (2012-02-06 21:49:23)

ArchVortex · 2012-02-07 19:44:50

Have been trying to download livarp since the release of 0.3.1 and have been unsuccessful Wish there was a torrent.

ancleessen4 · 2012-02-08 06:21:52

@ArchVortex
I am not aware of any issues...I will test a download now and report back...
I guess you used this link;

http://arpinux.org/isos/livarp/

If you still have problems I have a copy here on my site;

http://houghton.co/isos/

EDIT: A few minutes later and the download completed OK from the livarp link above.

Last edited by ancleessen4 (2012-02-08 06:36:10)

pablokal · 2012-02-08 06:42:19

I could make a torrent on mononova or so. Would you like that?

ArchVortex · 2012-02-08 08:37:19

I was able to finally download from ARP's Minus account. Couldn't set up my 3G modem and nowhere near a wifi network or ethernet during install. Incredibly disappointed. What a waste of time!! Same thing happened to me with Debian 6.0.4 the other day. Livearp also messed up my system clock. Final straw with Debian. In my unhumble opinion it's better to stay away from Debian rubbish. I have absolutely no luck with Debian. Never again. Arch and Gentoo only from now on.

Edit: And Slackware

pablokal · 2012-02-08 08:54:25

In my unhumble opinion it's better to stay away from Debian rubbish. I have absolutely no luck with Debian.

What a pity. I recognize that feeling I had it with fedora, mandrake and suse that there were always these piles of things heaping up that were obstructing a simple use of it. it's very frustrating because you feel so clumsy and noob.

ArchVortex · 2012-02-08 21:50:13

I should add "#!" as the exception although #! doesn't play well with Sid repos and networkmanager. You are forced to use Ceni and trying to use aptosid and testing siduction has just left a bad taste in my mouth about Ceni. IMO, Debian needs to do something. Connecting to the internet should not be that difficult for a linux distro. It can't be or people will run back to Windoze or Mac. Is networkmanager perfect? No!! Is it the most complete network manager and easiest to use to connect to ethernet, wifi and mobile broadband? Yes!!

I think Arnault needs to add gdebi package installer to the .iso so people can download and add networkmanager or wicd or whatever off-line just like we can do with pacman -U and then livarp will be fully ready to take on the alternative DE world.

distrohopperarched · 2012-02-09 07:02:41

ArchVortex wrote:

I should add "#!" as the exception although #! doesn't play well with Sid repos and networkmanager.

#! is an exception. #! is art. #! is a head over anything debian based. But does it have anything AB doesn't ?

pythonic · 2012-02-28 11:50:33

I am a long-time user of Puppy Linux. Various versions have worked very nicely on my old (Pentium III) laptop. Mind you, ArchBang seems to be working fine too.

I learned most of my Linux chops on Puppy and I do really like it. Currently I have my own remaster of Racy installed on my desktop and my laptop machines. Racy uses Linux Kernel 3.0.7.

Here's a link to my Blog about my little remix of this distro:
http://teampython.wordpress.com/2012/02 … ng-racypy/

mike4ca · 2012-02-28 22:15:46

scjet wrote:

... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.

I know I quoted this already in post 81 (read 82 as well if interested) but I have tried both GhostBSD and PCBSD LXDE versions. PCBSD had a lot of gnome stuff on it. Many items did not appear in the menu because they had gnome listed in the show only option for the .desktop file. I liked GhostBSDs version. I could not get my networked printer to work on either. It is an HP. Should have been simple. I won't go into details.

I also played with the GNOME install of GhostBSD. For those who liked the "classic" gnome2, this might be a choice.

distrohopperarched · 2012-02-29 08:14:26

@pythonic

Nice blog, wish I found it 10 years ago and also that you started 10 years ago. Anyway, thanks to you I stumbled upon:

Slacko Puppy 5.3.1:
is compatible with Slackware-13.37 binary packages;
is built with Linux kernel 2.6.37.6 compiled with Aufs (layered file system support);
has automatic Internet connectivity with Frisbee Network Manager;
........

Aufs ? Slackware ? no network manager ? I thought my distrohopping was over... but... I have to take a look at this !

scjet · 2012-02-29 14:33:57

mike4ca wrote:

scjet wrote:
... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.
I know I quoted this already in post 81 (read 82 as well if interested) but I have tried both GhostBSD and PCBSD LXDE versions. PCBSD had a lot of gnome stuff on it. Many items did not appear in the menu because they had gnome listed in the show only option for the .desktop file. I liked GhostBSDs version. I could not get my networked printer to work on either. It is an HP. Should have been simple. I won't go into details.
I also played with the GNOME install of GhostBSD. For those who liked the "classic" gnome2, this might be a choice.

IMHO, if you use PCBSD, stick with KDE, it was built from the ground-up for it. Your Printer would probably work OOB with PCBSD-KDE ? -'jus guessing.
Also,, "printer(s)" in BSD is a CUP's-Good-Luck endevour/nightmare as always. Linux is quite slightly better, for existing "Desktop-drivers" of all kinds, than *BSD is anymore. -and the most obvious reason is;
a) popularity.
I ain't trying to be condecending to *BSD, as a "desktop",
But, if you don't mind getting your hands' dirty in FreebSD, then the GhostBSD (LXDE) derivative is also a very nice way to hack around with a FreeBSD/Desktop 'fer sure, if that's your "schtick".

-some old Unix/Admin fart told me this years ago:
"...you can take *BSD from the Desktop, but no one will ever take *BSD/Unix from the Server(s)..."
whatever that means, but he is also still right. -go figure.

Last edited by scjet (2012-02-29 15:02:14)

lrcaballero · 2012-03-05 18:47:06

ArchVortex wrote:

Just tried Linux Mint 12 and Mate was slow and clunky. Gnome 3 is still only for browsing the internet and a waste of time. I think Clem should have waited a few weeks to get MATE right rather than go with bug fixes after and not bothered with Gnome3 at all. My overall feeling was this was a Linux Mint impostor and not the quality of previous releases.
CrunchBang was a joke. I don't know what happened there. The last Statler with OB was great.
Slackware 13.37 is just as solid as ever.
Loaded Peppermint 2 and dumped all the cloud crap. Really enjoying it. And it's LXDE of course. I liked the first release but didn't keep it in the repertoire because it's not rolling release. Like to run it with Sid repositories if I can. Kendall's done a great job. Using grub-customizer to manage the 8 distro GRUB menu. I'm going to install it on another partition as well and dump the LXDE and run it as Openbox.
Next up Ghost BSD and Anti-X and then maybe Livarp.

@ArchVortex

How did you like GhostBSD? I like it, flash player startles for a few seconds but anybody can live with that. I've tried PC-BSD but NO luck at all extremely slow on my PC & Laptop.

Cheers,

Luis

ArchVortex · 2012-03-07 10:24:22

I liked what I saw while running it on VirtualBox but I never successfully got it installed on a partition. Same problem with PC-BSD.

lrcaballero · 2012-03-07 11:45:32

ArchVortex wrote:

I was able to finally download from ARP's Minus account. Couldn't set up my 3G modem and nowhere near a wifi network or ethernet during install. Incredibly disappointed. What a waste of time!! Same thing happened to me with Debian 6.0.4 the other day. Livearp also messed up my system clock. Final straw with Debian. In my unhumble opinion it's better to stay away from Debian rubbish. I have absolutely no luck with Debian. Never again. Arch and Gentoo only from now on.
Edit: And Slackware

@ArchVortex

I tried a netinstall of Debain Squeeze + Openbox + Bakcports (stable) last weekend, and I was successful! I am still playing with it...

For your wireless configuration you need to follow these instructions: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-lin … etworking/

NOTE: during the installation process you have to set up your network to WEP rather than WPA/WPA2 (if this is your case) in order for Debian to recognize your network WiFi and/or Ethernet) otherwise NO luck with finding your network! Following the installation you may proceed to change your network security parameters to your liking (WPA/WPA2).

Cheers,

Luis

ArchVortex · 2012-03-07 20:07:04

@Luis

I re-installed Debian when I was at work with a password-less WiFi connection and had no problems. I made a remaster of Debian stable for others I was working with so they could use Debian instead of Ubuntu or Linux Mint. All of them changed to testing repos. They're not yet ready for Arch but maybe someday.

lrcaballero · 2012-03-08 17:03:22

scjet wrote:

mike4ca wrote:
scjet wrote:
... just trying out the new PCBSD 9.0 (LXDE) now,
and GhostBSD 2.5 (LXDE), <- I like this one.
although, these are not Linux distro's, I've always had a soft spot for the BSD's too.
How do you like PCBSD and how does GhostBSD differ? I had tried some of the early PCBSD 9 test spins (a couple RCs, beta, etc). I was hoping for something lighter than their original KDE version. But even the lighter desktops still were high ram use and slow for me.
I am ok with BSD testing and discussions, now if you started talking about Haiku (the OS), now that may be a problem! Just kidding. I wonder how many of you just searched for Haiku?
Hi, ya
Avoid any *BSD (RC's/Beta's...), err um I do anyway, 'cause they really aren't that stable yet, unless you're a "test" pilot. ?
However, the recent "Stable/Release" versions, that just came out as mentioned above, are ok.
I'm not going to compare them to Linux because the *BSD/Unix's are not distro's, they are completely different monolothic NetOS's, ..., just as different as Sun Solaris was to Linux.
At the app levels, though, they're both really Unix...
I use (Arch)Archbang, as a Desktop, a lot more these days than I use FreeBSD, for 2 reasons:
1./ Arch(Linux), to be honest, can be slightly more "forgiving"(driver-wise), with regards to the myriad of different hardware-PC devices. laptops', ... out there.
2./ "...Arch uses a BSD-style init framework, a tradeoff of flexibility for simplicity..." as well as a lot of other BSD-ish similarities that made both K.I.S.S
-unlike many other Linux distro's that just stick their "init" files, and configs,...,like bird-droppings, all over the damn place.
I only wish I had found Arch sooner. -Lol.
"...how does GhostBSD differ?"
PCBSD - uses CLI via BSD's "pkg_add", or via it's own "custom" GUI-Package-Mgr ("PBI's") ; similar to Arch's CLI with "pacman",
GhostBSD - uses only CLI via BSD's "pkg_add" ; also similar to Arch with "pacman".
The main difference, I found, is that GhostBSD does NOT use a GUI-pkg-manager, whereas PCBSD can.
But both PCBSD, and GhostBSD are completly built from, and dependent upon, the FreeBSD kernel/OS/userland/ports/packaging system, similar to what ArchBang is to Arch.
FreeBSD itself, like Arch, does not really use any GUI-pkg-manager, and they probably never will.
PCBSD, is bigger, and has been around a lot longer than GhostBSD.
However, imho, I like GHostBSD(LXDE) as a light DE to build upon / play with,
whereas, PCBSD (KDE/LXDE) tries to be more like the Ubumtu's/Windoze of the BSD's ? (hence why PCBSD uses more Ram than a slimmed-down GhostBSD)
-but again, this is also not a bad thing?, depending on the user and their comfortability levels, and needs, ...
Haiku -Lol.

@scjet

I don't know how serious you were about Haiku, but this is what I found on Haiku on a article named "10 best alternative operating systems
The desktops with the potential to change computing" http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ … ems-934484

Cheers,

Luis

scjet · 2012-03-09 10:08:13

@lrcaballero, et all:
"...If you were active in the PC world in the late 1990s...", which I was, and I tried BeOS...
I actually was serious about BEOS at one time, long ago, but... pfft not anymore.

I knew BEOS was still around somewhere, in fact, it may be in our Cell's and we don't even know it.
The point is, I admit, I did not know "Haiku" was a weird BEOS ? -until I read your, and others' links.
-that link is pretty futuristic for sure.

But I dunno, except for the fact that MacOSX was/is built upon FreeBSD, and so was/is NetAPP, and so was/is ..., many others, but ya, let me know how all that "Haiku" works out. That looks very interesting indeed. I didn't really know about it - until I quickly googled it.
But BSD/Unix is undeniably going to be around, as long as developers in Unix/Linux need to continually sharpen their teeth.
It's the BSD/License that still keeps it alive. -For good or bad, unfortunately, or fortunately?, depending on which side of the wall we're on. -and that, of course, is yet another story.

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oliver · 2012-03-09 10:20:44

lrcaballero wrote:

I don't know how serious you were about Haiku, but this is what I found on Haiku on a article named "10 best alternative operating systems
The desktops with the potential to change computing" http://www.techradar.com/news/software/ … ems-934484

Interesting article! I would *love* for ReactOS to take off. It would be hilarious if MS were worried about linux/mac taking their market share and then a clone comes along and does it

pablokal · 2012-03-09 13:42:58

Wonderful article!! I like the idea that there are people around, stubborn and creative enough to totally want to rethink all so called normal premises in the IT world.

mike4ca · 2012-03-10 18:43:08

I played with Puppy linux this last week. The Ubuntu based version. I wanted to have a backup OS so I could keep working when Arch breaks during an update and wanted to see how easy it was to use in case I needed to recommend it to someone struggling with a distribution like Arch. It is very easy. Lots of click here to get this. I was disappointed by the printer setup. They leave you with CUPS web interface. I don't think I have ever been successful with that interface. Puppy also runs as root. No password, no other login. This caused me challenges with using documents on my "data" partition. I briefly made the data partition ntfs to eliminate ownership issues. I decided not to use Puppy as my backup.

Kruppt · 2012-03-11 12:04:49

Well ...when booted back in to your normal OS....(archbang...Ubuntu..?)

chown -vR YOURUSERNAME /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder
and
chgrp -vR "YOURUSERNAME OR....whatever the group was" /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder

oliver · 2012-03-11 18:20:09

Kruppt wrote:

Well ...when booted back in to your normal OS....(archbang...Ubuntu..?)

chown -vR YOURUSERNAME /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder
and
chgrp -vR "YOURUSERNAME OR....whatever the group was" /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder

Or in one command

chown -vR YOURUSERNAME:YOURUSERGROUP  /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder

If your username matches your group, this will do it (don't miss the dot)

chown -vR YOURUSERNAME. /mnt/WHATEVER_YOUR_DATA_PARTITION/some_folder

ratcheer · 2012-03-17 06:02:32

A couple of days ago, I started playing with the Gentoo-based Sabayon Linux. It is quite nice and very "light". My system is setup with E17. After boot, it uses about 230 MB of memory.

Right now, the main thing I don't like about it is that you have to jump through a few hoops to do a kernel upgrade. I do understand their reasoning, though. They say it is to prevent a kernel upgrade from out of the blue messing up your well-running system.

Tim

oliver · 2012-03-17 07:02:15

ratcheer wrote:

A couple of days ago, I started playing with the Gentoo-based Sabayon Linux. It is quite nice and very "light". My system is setup with E17. After boot, it uses about 230 MB of memory.
Right now, the main thing I don't like about it is that you have to jump through a few hoops to do a kernel upgrade. I do understand their reasoning, though. They say it is to prevent a kernel upgrade from out of the blue messing up your well-running system.
Tim

It seems to be totally against the concept of gentoo that you have to rely on binary packages for a working system. TBH, I don't really see the point of running it unless you're going to compile everything and use your own USE flags etc. I really want to like Sabayon though because aesthetically, they do a fantastic job

ratcheer · 2012-03-17 19:13:41

I see your point, @oliver. But, a few weeks ago, I tried Linux From Scratch. I compiled stuff until I was blue in the face. Yes, I learned quite a bit about what is going on in "real" Linux. But it is just too tedious for me.

Thanks,
Tim

oliver · 2012-03-17 19:51:37

ratcheer wrote:

I see your point, @oliver. But, a few weeks ago, I tried Linux From Scratch. I compiled stuff until I was blue in the face. Yes, I learned quite a bit about what is going on in "real" Linux. But it is just too tedious for me.
Thanks,
Tim

I hear you on that... I ran gentoo for a long long time with by-no-means high-end hardware and I would dread doing certain upgrades but the USE flags etc are a wonderful concept

distrohopperarched · 2012-03-20 11:52:43

I accidentally booted into crunchbang today and gave it a try just to see how it would feel, what's new, whatever. After adding unstable repos to the source.list I still wasn't able to get wine version higher than 1.0.1. As for archbang:

$ wine --version
wine-1.5.0

those updates might not be unnecessary after all. Thank you arch linux.

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lrcaballero · 2012-03-31 22:27:22

Hello Archbangers,

I know some of you like and have tried and/or are using Gentoo as an alternative OS, well they just release a New LiveDVD 12.1 version to celebrate their continued collaboration between Gentoo users and developers, here you go and enjoy!!!

http://distrowatch.com/

http://www.gentoo.org/

Luis

o_O · 2012-04-01 07:27:19

I'm using Mint 11 on my main PC, but I've been trying Archbang on an older machine to test it out.

ArchVortex · 2012-04-01 10:25:20

I'm downloading the new Gentoo now as it's supposed to have an installer, which I'd like to see. Gentoo with LXDE is still my main and only OS on my PC.

Just tried Bodhi Linux 1.4.0 on my netbook and even after scaling my CPU keeps cranking out kernel panics. Too bad because I like Bodhi even though it's Bumtu LTS.

Loaded in Ultimate Edition just to see what it was like. Just a few packages included

lrcaballero · 2012-04-01 11:43:39

@Archvortex

Bodhi Linux is a wonderful distro! I was running Bodhilinux 1.1.0 on my 10 year old PC for a long time until AB! 2011.10 he enjoyed it very much but he wanted to try AB! BTW they also have a wonderful community...

Cheers,

ArchVortex · 2012-04-02 10:18:50

Hahaha!! The Gentoo Install Wizard sends people wanting to install Gentoo to the help pages. Brilliant!!! You can do a dirty install with the new LiveDVD by following http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Install_ … disk_drive but you need to know what you're doing afterwards and shouldn't be tried by someone who hasn't at least got a couple of Gentoo installs under their belt.

Ped · 2012-04-02 18:36:18

Once I used to play with Sabayon, Mandriva and fedora. I've decided to stick to archbang.

I sometimes take a look at Crunch Bang in a virtual machine and also always keep an obscure flavour from the MINT family handy if someone asks about the wierd os I'm using.

I haven't done enough research to know which Linux is the best to use to introduce someone (coming from windows) to Linux . I've used ubuntu for a while and so the distro is familiar to me.

But lets be honest. What on earth could possibly improve on archbang?

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distrohopperarched · 2012-04-03 13:09:36

Ped wrote:

What on earth could possibly improve on archbang?

I tried Slacko today. It's a Puppy + Slackware crossbreed. I don't really see much of Puppy on forums or anywhere for that matter. I don't expect it to have too many fans between Arch users as it even has a (believe it or not) "wizard wizard" and that's not exactly KISS.

But s far as I know, KISS ought to emphasise documentation over automation but I find myself often having neither. The arch wiki leaves quite some guesswork for the user.
By contrast, Slacko windows are decorated with lenghty explanatory notes. If arch would take documentation seriously, we would have something similar compensating for the lack of GUIs. So this is my answer to Ped's question. IMHO a few bits of text wouldn't make the system less "light", nor more "bumtu", just more "agile".

To tell you the truth, I was about to throw out a similar idea in the wild to see what people think about annotations, but the idea is already (over)implemented in this little distro.

I was also surprised to see that the whole .iso was ~150 MB or so and apps started up amazingly quick - I guess because everything was loaded to RAM. While little in size, the menu was full of useful stuff - which again, isn't really for people using Arch but hey.

Other than that, "dog-speak" on the forums becomes annoying pretty quickly.

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ArchVortex · 2012-04-03 14:07:57

Nothing wrong with using Puppy as long as users remember that they are operating as root always. I use Puppy to resurrect old and dead computers that can't even run Windows XP or probably couldn't run XP well 9 years ago.

distrohopperarched wrote:

If arch would take documentation seriously, we would have something similar compensating for the lack of GUIs.

There is nothing wrong with Arch documentation, it is the best documentation of any Linux OS. Gentoo next. The problem is with the user. If the user is not competent enough to understand or figure out the documentation then they should go back to some easy Linux OS like Bumtu or Mint or even Windows. Arch is not for everyone. Same with Gentoo. If they can't use a system without GUI's then use one that has them. Users need to adjust and adapt to use Arch and Gentoo, not complain that Arch and Gentoo should change to suit the needs of incompetent user.

ancleessen4 · 2012-04-03 14:34:52

The wonderful distro(let) Livarp (0.3.2)

http://arpinux.org/arpinux_reloaded/

See my earlier post about Livarp.
Now includes 7 wm sessions;
dwm, echinuswm, evilwm, pekwm, wmfs, fluxbox and compiz stand-alone.
I particularly like the wmfs session;
http://wmfs.info/

Enjoy!

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mike4ca · 2012-04-03 19:37:42

distrohopperarched wrote:

The arch wiki leaves quite some guesswork for the user.

As a community OS (as opposed to the other 2 OS's), it is up to us to improve it. I encourage everyone to add to the wiki if there are instructions that can be improved upon. I have added some where I thought appropriate, but have to admit that I get too distracted and don't commit as much as I should. ArchVortex can give you rights to contribute.

distrohopperarched · 2012-04-04 09:51:32

mike4ca wrote:

distrohopperarched wrote:
The arch wiki leaves quite some guesswork for the user.
As a community OS (as opposed to the other 2 OS's), it is up to us to improve it. I encourage everyone to add to the wiki if there are instructions that can be improved upon. I have added some where I thought appropriate, but have to admit that I get too distracted and don't commit as much as I should. ArchVortex can give you rights to contribute.

I see, but exactly this is it, users who are still learning can't help - users who know it all don't always remember that newer users don't know "this" or "that".

I opened another thread as a reply to ArchVortex's post here: http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=2555 as it's a bit off topic.

distrohopperarched · 2012-04-04 10:24:35

I messed up my boot-loader a little and I decided "to fix" it with something else. Puppy can run from within a file and doesn't need a whole partition anyway.

I ended up discovering "Unity linux" and learning that it's quite similar to Arch but I found it was easier to set up. Like puppy it is (at least according to distrowatch) targeting "older hardware" and i586... and all this because ALSA doesn't seem to like my audio-card. I like that it is different yet similar to arch,

The intention of Unity Linux is to create a core distribution from which other branch distributions are built. Because of this requirement, it will be kept as minimal as possible but with as large a base of software as possible.

The Unity developers are aiming for an Arch-Linux-Like approach to things with future releases: Provide a stable core on which users and developers can build while keeping updates rolling.

Just mentioning that once I figure out how to connect to the internet, I ought to have Openbox running. Has anybody tried this yet ? Any thoughts ?

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ToJa92 · 2012-04-04 13:22:43

Running Archbang on both of my "normal" PCs. In the past I've run Ubuntu, Debian and Crunchbang.
I'm guessing I'll be staying with Archbang for quite a while. Might get Virtualbox to check out some distros, though I'm not very interested in switching around; I like to set it up once and be done with it. Granted, when I do switch I usually set up everything from scratch.
I've also got a PC Engines WRAP board which runs Voyage Linux(essentially a stripped Debian build). All I use it for right now is ZNC, but if I get around acquiring the USB board for it I might use it for rtorrent too, depending on performance. Or maybe lighttpd. Or perhaps both. Time will tell.

hothorse · 2012-05-23 09:53:10

sure .. I have been distro hopping once again for the last several weeks .. ; )

kicked the tires on many Puppy linux flavors.. finding Macis .. a chinese version is really nifty .. but cannot install the english language pack thus far
and slacko is really cool from a slackware vantage point .... porteus.. bodhi.. peppermint .. which all took over the partition i had mint 12 on .. (hehehe)
and lots of others.. slitaz too .. the Value of distro hopping ? every now and then it is intriquing and interesting to observe first hand .. by kicking the tires and checking the features that i am interested in .... since i have 3 partitions .. XP on sda1 .. another on sda2 .. and sda3 for "testing"

now i am writing this from archbang .. liked the easy update .. interesting way to install packages.. feels light enough ..
need more tinkering ... install different wallpaper .. understand how to edit grub.. discover where i went awry with trying to view usb flash ...

hope everyone enjoys their time with their linux experience ..

axel668 · 2012-05-24 00:54:30

running / supporting Mint on some family / colleagues PCs.
Then there's the inevitable Windows laptop
(still needed for the Tax once a year, and to support incompatible USB devices like Tomtom GPS,
besides my wife uses it to play "my little farm" kind of games and for childrens software, Disney and stuff)

sano · 2012-05-24 03:26:25

At the moment I dual boot AB and #!, and I have one spare partition for distro-hopping. It is empty right now, and I am unsure what to put there - either #! Waldorf, or a "real" Arch install... Or maybe even Lubuntu 12.04. It has to be lightweight and mustn't depend on accelerated graphics, so my choice is rather limited.

pablokal · 2012-05-24 13:12:05

Why don't you try aptosid or siduction (both xfce)
or semplice, all based on sid, the last one is with openbox: http://semplice-linux.org/discover/

sano · 2012-05-25 01:03:08

^ I am already tracking sid on my #! statler install, and I was rather thinking about getting something stable on the free partition to take care of grub2 in case of possible breakages in my two bleeding-edge distros. Can't be too outdated though, as my cursed gma3600 will need recent kernel and Xorg to be usable at all. Maybe Lubuntu, or whatever light DE the new Mint has to offer.
Or maybe something that's based on neither Debian nor Arch, but in my experience I always return to those two. They have the best package management, and I know where the config lives...

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benney_swet · 2012-06-14 21:17:04

I did a bit of a look for and can't see that this has been described before. So, as there seems to be a few A red hat systemunix system clients here...

What distro(s) do you use and why, momentarily.

Me, mainly Mepis. I saw a talk about of it a few years ago (Around a lot of period of Mepis 3.3.1.) and considered I'd offer it with a try twice start-up with Win 98. It's remained a organization recommended and is now our family conventional os very much.

ancleessen4 · 2012-06-15 06:42:34

Anyone tried this?

http://voyager.legtux.org/

xubuntu 12.04 based

I think this is a work of art!

kazuya · 2012-06-22 21:49:42

I finally found a distro that super hooked me. Zorin OS. The distro is quite snappy for an ubuntu-based distro. It looks super polished and unlike a distro I would ever run, but I am definitly recommending this over any other distro for total beginner level linux user.

It simply WOWed the new folks I was converting to linux. And it impressed me greatly as well. The ZorinOS Look changer is unique.

This distro is super polished and eyecandy filled and yet speedy.I shall be running this distro exclusively for a while.

Archbang is still nice. I shall try bridge linux and porteus in the future. But Zorin is officially my top distro recommendation for new linux users from windows XP or windows 7 famliarity.

JWJones · 2012-06-22 23:21:02

I think over the years I have burned through most every distro out there. Every once in a while I will try a live CD/DVD of something that looks interesting, but any more I really just stick with Arch, Slackware, and Debian. I would, however, like to try Genoo... I guess that is the "final frontier" for me.

pablokal · 2012-06-23 14:04:22

Anyone tried this?
http://voyager.legtux.org/

Only noticed this pointer today.
I don't feel any interest in xfce and ubuntu but I full agree with you that the customizations are fantastic!!
The application conky control is terrific: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … elYd66FE0s
And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjRCf6gq54
It seems quite a good noob OS too with grub customizer, boot repair and os uninstaller; three applications that are new to me, but seem very useful for the Linux novice..
Also the customized firefox startpages and the AWN customization look sublime.

The default theme of Voyager 12.04 is Ambiance-Voyager-Dark which in combination with Faenza-Dark-White icons looks stunning.

Indeed!!
Review: http://www.muktware.com/3612/voyager-re … e-its-best
As with your enthusiasm on Livarp we fully agree on this, I think we must have a same sort of taste on desktop design.
I think I will download it to borrow some of its config files..

djyoung4 · 2012-06-29 04:16:16

Been with ubuntu since 8.04. played a little with fedora, arch, and mint in virtualbox. had crunchbang on my laptop for a while then went back to ubuntu 11.04. My serverish box still has 10.04. Now I just got archbang which I love on my laptop

ratcheer · 2012-06-29 06:49:57

I currently have Arch Linux with Openbox and tint2, Ubuntu 12.04/Unity, Siduction with LXDE, and Sabayon 9 with Fluxbox. I like all of them.

Sabayon is beautiful and elegant. Its main drawback is painfully slow upgrades. If it wasn't for that, it could easily become my everyday system.

Fast updates and upgrades are what I like about Arch. Also the complete sense of control it gives me.

Siduction is also extremely attractive. Its big negative is that I cannot install fglrx for my ATI HD6770 with their current kernel, and the card runs from 15-20C hotter with the open source radeon driver.

Ubuntu with Unity is the workhorse. It uses the resources heavily, but I have plenty of RAM. Unity and Gnome3 include everything including the kitchen sink.

It's all good.

Tim

oliver · 2012-06-29 08:05:29

ratcheer wrote:

Sabayon is beautiful and elegant. Its main drawback is painfully slow upgrades. If it wasn't for that, it could easily become my everyday system.

I agree - but also the lack of ability to 'emerge world' gnawed away at me. I was like a person with OCD seeing a wall full of wonky picture frames - I couldn't help myself and blew the install up.

solayagim · 2012-07-09 16:55:19

as a regular user; watching movies, listening music and surfing almost 6 hours a day, i tried most of distros specially debian based ones but arch is better than them all because of lightweight and stability. I learned the system quickly and now archbang plus openbox works very good. I don't think i will change this distro for a long time.

ratcheer · 2012-07-10 05:55:20

This past weekend, I started a concerted effort to switch from Ubuntu to Sabayon as my main distro. The "straw that borke the camel's back" is the way Canonical has decided to drop grub in order to go along with Microsoft's UEFI secure boot scheme. I want everything to remain free and open and I will struggle against these kinds of changes for as long as possible.

I installed the full Sabayon Gnome 3 spin. So far, it is much more stable than Gnome 3 / gnome-shell on Ubuntu. My major stumbling block so far was installing and configuring my Canon MP620 printer. I finally solved it by installing cups-bjnp and the latest version of Gutenprint (5.2.9) from the Gentoo Portage repos. The former is not in the Sabayon repos and the latter is an older version (5.2.7-pre) that did not work well, for some reason.

I think I am going to drop Siduction because of video driver issues. If I finish implementing all these plans, I will be down to Sabayon 9 Gnome for a fully-loaded system, Arch Linux for a lightweight system, and possibly will keep my older install of Sabayon 9 Fluxbox to remind me how nice that is.

After a week or so of that, I will probably start distro hopping, again.

Tim

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kazuya · 2012-07-18 13:11:13

I did decide to give ghostbsd, porteus, sabayon, and bridgelinux a full try.

(1) Bridge linux worked good for my older dell laptop, but no USB mouse could work with it on my old, but newer acer laptop. The inability for my laptop touch screen and USB mouse to work destroyed my interest from there on with Bridgelinux (32bit version)
(2) Ghostbsd 2.5 lxde 64bit failed to go to the livecd mode or past ISO cd default boot. Eventually, I found a way to log in to the shell, but startx failed. – This cost me a CD coaster.
I tried to use unetbootin to load ghostbsd 3.0 gnome 64bit ISO, but that failed to boot up as well. I suspect display drivers were not detected. – Thus my BSD curiosity was shattered. – I might try PCBSD in the near future. I need a full proof install guide.
(3) Porteus – seems to be based on slackware. It looked very nice, performed well, but upon installing to hard drive partition, had difficulty with booting it up after install. There is a bootloader option which I clicked or tried, but with no success. It looks very nice, but seems difficult to set up the bootlader. I installed or copied contents to sda9 with ext4 format, - No idea how to set up grub bootloader to capture this installation. Any ideas? – Why does slackware and its derivatives not switch to grub? Lilo is so uncommon these days. I need a full proof install guide for porteus as well.
(4) Sabayon – Installed easily, performs well. The rigoo application package manager is okay, but not my favorite gui-package manager. It took a while for me to get accustomed to it. – Since I installed the xfce4 version, I have been having a tough time changing from light dm to gdm. Fonts are not super nice as they are on others. Shall fix soon. I have installed gdm3 as well as gnome 3 to have ability to easily switch my speaker and skype headsets. This is hard to do in native xfce4.
(5) Zorin – As weird as it sounds, this is my favorite distro currently. Archbang has finally met its match for me. Performance-wise Zorin is really fast. Almost as fast as Archbang with the same Desktop environments. Everything just works and it looks super nice and gorgeous after I resize the bottom dock and change my icon theme, etc.
Issues with Zorin: Least customizable of all the distros I have ever used recently. The look changer app is a pain to use and undo in the xfce4 DE and perhaps others. It messes up the panel looks when activated in the Xfce4 DE.
(6) Pinguy OS – Very very beautiful to me, functional, a little bloated, and a little slower than the rest.
(7) Archbang 64bit – Tied for my favorite with Zorin. – Biggest gripe or complaint with Archbang is with pacman changes, and trying to track security updates, breakages, and pacman server connect issues. Issues with Archbang originate from archlinux itself. – Still has the fastest package manager. Does multi-lib help or create issues? Dreamchess and Savage2 fails in my 64 bit archbang install, but not in 32bit archbang install. Best distro for speed, functionality, control, and customization.

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sano · 2012-07-27 19:04:05

ratcheer wrote:

...is the way Canonical has decided to drop grub in order to go along with Microsoft's UEFI secure boot scheme.

Got some link with the details?

mike4ca · 2012-07-27 19:38:15

sano wrote:

ratcheer wrote:
...is the way Canonical has decided to drop grub in order to go along with Microsoft's UEFI secure boot scheme.
Got some link with the details?

Here's some: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n … px=MTEyNDY http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/cano … ution.html http://www.linuxtoday.com/upload/red-ha … 30003.html

There should be plenty as it is a hot topic, especially since the FSF is not found of their proposed method.

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