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#1 2016-06-01 04:12:15

Mr Green
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Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Just uploaded Summer Isos have decided that it is time to be systemd-free. ArchBang now comes with OpenRC init by default.

As isos are beta expect updates until things are more settled, some things need testing and possibly changing but I am hoping for some feedback that will help.

Isos are here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/archbang/files/

sha256sum archbang-openrc-rc-140616-*
92ed7b8dfbe83cb5b8b7e55882a7f86e6f55b10686366e6d288ea022760eb610  archbang-openrc-rc-140616-i686.iso
05234718cba1fbc22bd436d2de32f09678836ba1f720d007f30e0459d81e1311  archbang-openrc-rc-140616-x86_64.iso
sha256sum archbang-openrc-beta-070616-*
abb20edb25f1ad01aaacfe3b87c23044a6967aafa8d3da14ec33e5ac168189b2  archbang-openrc-beta-070616-i686.iso
7708b4cac071c3a8ba92dbc9bf661de70548f663210bc37d6010b64f63e93cbf  archbang-openrc-beta-070616-x86_64.iso

Rc version now comes with arch-openrc mirrors.

Update ArchBang systemd isos removed, will update at some point in the future

As always feedback,comments and donations are welcome.

Mr Green

Last edited by Mr Green (2016-06-15 00:47:53)


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#2 2016-06-01 05:32:10

once
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

live mode

1. NM ok.
2. wallpaper free.

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#3 2016-06-01 13:04:09

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

ArchBang now comes with OpenRC init by default.

Great!! Congratulations!
This will be a discriminating feature for Archbang; something to make it unique.
Hope we can pull it off..


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#4 2016-06-02 09:24:09

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

good to see archbang on free world smile


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#5 2016-06-04 09:33:05

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

AWESOME!! Mr G, you are d man!!


You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.
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#6 2016-06-04 09:35:21

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

@ArchVortex thank you wink


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#7 2016-06-04 09:48:18

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Running it with wicd now and I don't like using a DM anyways so no problem for me. Bumtu crackers and tea? wink


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#8 2016-06-05 01:34:12

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Not sure if this helps, but I run nm in a systemd free way using the obarun packages eg

$ pstree
runit─┬─2*[VBoxClient───VBoxClient]
      ├─VBoxClient───VBoxClient───{X11 events}
      ├─runsvdir─┬─runsv─┬─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───pstree
      │          │       └─svlogd
      │          ├─runsv─┬─slim───Xorg
      │          │       └─svlogd
      │          ├─2*[runsv───agetty]
      │          ├─runsv───svlogd
      │          └─runsv─┬─NetworkManager─┬─dhclient
      │                  │                ├─{gdbus}
      │                  │                ├─{gmain}
      │                  │                └─{pool}
      │                  └─svlogd
      └─udevd
local/network-manager-applet 1.2.2-1
    Applet for managing network connections
local/networkmanager-nosystemd 1.2.2-1
    Network Management daemon
local/networkmanager-runitserv 0.1-1
    networkmanager service for runit
local/nm-connection-editor 1.2.2-1
    NetworkManager GUI connection editor
local/wpa_supplicant 1:2.5-3
    A utility providing key negotiation for WPA wireless networks

this works fine for me. There's not much special about the startup

$ cat run
#!/usr/bin/bash
exec 2>&1
exec /usr/bin/NetworkManager -n

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#9 2016-06-05 02:02:03

Mr Green
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

NM works for some and not others, this gives some clues to a fix

https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/tag/openrc/

However I am using the openrc-eudev packages to build iso at the moment and I am unsure of how up to date they are. Hoping that a switch to [arch-openrc] will solve the problem.


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#10 2016-06-05 06:39:57

Silure
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Hi Mr Green.
Am worried by this latest anouncement, this is the first Distro I have used using systemd, and I have put a lot of effort into learning this new way of working. I am enjoying a much faster startup, (which can only be good).
Does this mean I have wasted my time learning systemd???
If I have got it wrong can you give me some pointers as to why I should forget systemd?
Yours in anticipation.
Silure

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#11 2016-06-05 10:28:20

Mr Green
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Archlinux will always be systemd based as are so many other major distros. Learning systemd is not a waste of time at all. Switching too runit or OpenRC was simply a matter of having a choice. ArchBang can be easily converted to run systemd should a user wish to do so.


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#12 2016-06-05 13:23:31

Silure
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Thanks, Mr Green, that's great to hear.
I love Archbang the way it is, I have only ever used the big players as far as Distros are concerned, Ubuntu openSuse, Mint, etc, but have never had the control I now have with AB.
Have only been with you a few months but will be staying right here for the for forseeable future.
Will probably be back with more questions and maybe even some answers some day, (Not any time soon though)
Many Thanks
Silure

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#13 2016-06-06 06:43:32

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Silure wrote:

I love Archbang the way it is

Now that you've installed, you just need to continue to update regularly and you'll be fine.  The only problem you'll have is if you try to re-install from the last systemd based Archbang ISO in the future.  This is because the first update you do will *probably* find a few conflicts and so on and it gets to the point where re-installing is quicker than fixing.

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#14 2016-06-06 12:19:10

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

@Silure rest assured at some point I will update systemd version....


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#15 2016-06-06 22:37:04

Silure
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Thank you both Oliver & Mr Green.
Thank you Oliver,
I thought I had it right about just updating in the future and that it was probably a silly question, but I was going to have to ask it anyway, so thanks for that.

Thank you again, Mr Green, for your latest post, this has put my mind at ease.
As so many people seem to be thinking 'systemd free' I will have to read other people's posts about going 'systemd free', see what I think and maybe, just maybe come over to your way of thinking.

Think that about puts this to bed now.
Many Thanks
Silure

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#16 2016-06-09 06:33:45

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

excellent news, congrats Mr. G and to the AB team for a Bumtu-free arch !
wink

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#17 2016-06-10 20:46:16

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Installed archbang-openrc-beta-070616-x86_64.iso on internal hdd. Encountered 2 issues.
1. Upon compeletion of the installation, issued sudo pacman -Syu. pacman say mkinitcpio not compable with mkinitcpio-nosystemd.
    Updates only after agreed to replace mkinitcpio-nosystemd with mkinitcpio.

2. After system update, installed linux-grsec, 4.5.7.2016060852-2-grsec. Firefox, 47.0-1 segmentation fault upon launch.
    FF runs ok with 4.6.2-1-ARCH. FF also runs ok with pure Arch (systemd, not openrc) installation. Both Kernel and FF indentical versions.

Last edited by acheng (2016-06-10 20:48:15)

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#18 2016-06-11 07:35:24

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

2016_06_11_141650_1920x1080_scrot.jpg

Seems ok to me....

mkinitcpio issue will be fixed in an upcoming release...


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#19 2016-06-12 14:49:59

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Mr Green wrote:

Update Fixed NM by making sure /etc/hostname matched /etc/conf.d/hostname... thanks Chris wink

No problem, glad to help.

I am curious about something. Are you using networkmanager? or networkmanager-consolekit?

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#20 2016-06-12 23:00:30

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

I am using networkmanager-consolekit

Welcome to ArchBang forums wink


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#21 2016-06-13 07:12:20

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Mr Green wrote:

I am using networkmanager-consolekit

Very strange, supposedly it should only be using what is in /etc/conf.d/hostname.

Could you try an experiment? Make a backup of /etc/hostname then delete it and see if network manager starts and runs correctly and that it reads the hostname from /etc/conf.d/hostname. Technically on an OpenRC system the file /etc/hostname should never even exist since that file has to be manually created by the user.

If you have a /etc/hostname file, that means that you followed the standard arch linux install instructions which tell you to make it. However the standard arch linux installation instructions are based on systemd, so not every step is accurate for an OpenRC installation.

Mr Green wrote:

Welcome to ArchBang forums wink

Thanks for the welcome.

Last edited by Chris Cromer (2016-06-13 07:13:59)

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#22 2016-06-13 07:49:47

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

@ Chris
Do You mean it should not looks like this?

igor@archigor ~]$ pacman -Q |grep netw
glib-networking 2.48.2-1
network-manager-applet 1.2.2-1
networkmanager-consolekit 1.2.2-2
networkmanager-openrc 20160608-1

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#23 2016-06-13 09:44:00

Chris Cromer
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

igorka wrote:

@ Chris
Do You mean it should not looks like this?

igor@archigor ~]$ pacman -Q |grep netw
glib-networking 2.48.2-1
network-manager-applet 1.2.2-1
networkmanager-consolekit 1.2.2-2
networkmanager-openrc 20160608-1

What you have is correct, don't worry. wink

Here is mine:

[cromer@cromer-arch ~]$ pacman -Q | grep netw
glib-networking 2.48.2-1
lib32-glib-networking 2.48.2-1
network-manager-applet 1.2.2-1
networkmanager-consolekit-noscan 1.2.2-2
networkmanager-openrc 20160609-1

As you can see it is the same. I was just wanting to make sure that networkmanager was not being used. The correct one is networkmanager-consolekit which is what both you and Mr Green have.

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#24 2016-06-13 13:15:11

Mr Green
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

@Chris shifted hostname and NM still works, am hoping it was simply update to package....


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#25 2016-06-13 17:00:20

Chris Cromer
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Mr Green wrote:

@Chris shifted hostname and NM still works, am hoping it was simply update to package....

Thanks for checking, I was curious about that.

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#26 2016-06-14 10:57:29

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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Cleaned up this post a little, uploaded 'rc' releases, removed archbang systemd isos (for now).


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#27 2016-07-04 11:26:55

mips
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Hi Mr Green,

Are there any new isos coming out soon as I would like to reinstall and would rather wait if there was something newer in the pipeline.

Thanks

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#28 2016-07-05 00:25:54

Mr Green
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Going to run with 'rc' release for a while just to make sure everything works. Quite a few downloads but hardly any real feedback so difficult to tell if users like it or are having any problems. Installation is less guided so you do need to do more post install, but nothing major.


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#29 2016-07-11 16:14:06

delphys
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Re: Summer releases are systemd free!!!

Hey Mr.Green, Thnx a bunch for the usual distro..

Just installed archbang-openrc-rc-140616-x86_64 & few observations:

i. install script uses a single bootable partition.. no way to add second for /home
   Also it failw with weird erros if the partition is not empty.

2. setting the time was a bit tricky, as the usual timedatectl is gone due to openrc.
    had to: sudo hwclock --utc --hctosys

3. vlc upon install fails.. edit the ~/.config/vlc/vlcrc -- aout=alsa

4. ping fails.. do sudo chmod u+s `which ping`

Lastly, would like to covert to static ip but can not seem to find /etc/openrc/conf.d/network or the newnet binary..
any ideas ??

Otherwise, its fast & stable !! :-)
HTH

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