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#1 2011-04-07 08:52:02

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aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

IgnorantGuru's alternative to Arch was Aptosid: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2011/03 … o-aptosid/
He moved away from arch because of the package signing issue.
I am trying Aptosid too, but the results were rather  mixed till now. I wasn't able to install some packages that are dear to me such as adeskbar.
See my blog: http://stillstup.blogspot.com/2011/04/t … ience.html
Yesterday a new rolling release distro based on Debian Sid was presented: Linux Mint Xfce (201104) was released: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1725

Rolling editions do not carry version numbers. They follow the Debian Testing branch. Because of their rolling nature, they're receiving continuous updates and their version number never changes. Note the absence of version number in "Linux Mint Xfce" for instance, indicating its rolling nature.

An important thing to notice is the fact that rolling editions are in constant evolution but that a particular ISO image is a snapshot of this edition at a particular time. So, though rolling editions do not get outdated, ISO images do. For this reason we use a timestamp for our ISO images, such as "Linux Mint Xfce (201104)".

For me the good news is that the rolling release model is gaining strength.
That Ubuntu gets sidetracked and is becoming less influential. That Debian gets the benefit from this.
And that for an easy transition to a openbox based cutting edge distro there is another alternative ready.

Edit: Aptosid works for me. It was a sort of bumpy road to get used to it idiosyncracies especially the system update procedure which should be followed always: http://manual.aptosid.com/en/sys-admin- … pt-upgrade

NEVER EVER do a dist-upgrade nor upgrade whilst in X
Always check Current Warnings on the aptosid main web site. The warnings are there for a reason due to the very nature of unstable (Debian sid), which also updates 4 times per day.

Log out of Openbox.
Go to Textmode by doing Ctrl+Alt+F1
logon as root,
and then type:
init 3
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get clean
init 5 && exit


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#2 2011-04-07 21:55:08

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

I just recently upgraded my sons PC Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse his running Windows XP on a Gateway Pentium 4 it is still super fast...He has used archbang, linuxmint and debian in the past when I let him use my laptop. So I started shopping around for a Linux OS for my kid that is simple and very straight forward for him to use, his only 9 years old. After minutes of searching I came across Bodhi Linux. Is based on Ubuntu 10.04 with the Enlightment Desktop, very minimalistic!!! it gives you just what you need, to get you started. I played with it and I Loved it for my kid (even for me) but I love ArchBang! too much. I let him played with it and he was very happy and found his way around very easy. so I think I will install it on his PC this weekend...If any of you care to find out about Bodhi Linux, here you... Cheers!

http://www.bodhilinux.com/

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/openso … gland/2354

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/49138

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#3 2011-07-29 07:48:30

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

For people who have difficulty installing aptosid due to wifi problems this iso may offer the solution:

AptoSID 2011-02 XFCE Ἡμέρα WiFi Ready Respin (previusly known as Sidux)

AptoSID is a desktop-oriented Linux LiveCD (bootable from CD/DVD/USB) operating system based on the "unstable" branch of Debian, which uses the codename Sid. The distribution consists of a Live CD (bootable CD-ROM) for IA-32 or x86-64 architecture and can be installed to a hard drive through a graphical installer.

Since AptoSID originates in Germany, its developers cannot include some very useful network utilities like tcpdump or even telnet (sic!). Also adhereing to the "all" free status of Debian distribution, they don't include any firmware, thus you cannot use AptoSID with your laptop which only has WiFi network connection.

Here you can download a custom AptoSID respin which allows using the network without any hassle. Download the image here: aptosid-2011-02-imera-xfce-i386-201107131632.wifi.iso

http://www.wupload.com/file/57008675
source: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/aptosid-2011 … espin.html


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#4 2011-07-30 21:58:16

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

I had no problem with Ceni for ethernet or wireless. My problem is that  I use a usb modem 90% of the time and Ceni doesn't support usb modems. Same problem with wicd. As usb modems become more popular and relevant in Asia, distros with wicd and Ceni become unusable. Usb modem internet speeds far exceed ethernet speeds in Indonesia.  Those distros with networkmanager are easily used with a usb modem. Just my observation here.


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#5 2011-08-28 02:01:47

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Thank you for the link, this distro is marvellous!

Not only it properly supports a WiFi card in my laptop, it also has much better fonts and fonts settings, not to mention dozens of useful utilities and ... Skype.

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#6 2011-11-01 14:02:42

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

APTOSID rocks!

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#7 2012-02-21 10:30:12

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Writing this from aptosid now. Pablokal, since you've been using it for quite awhile, what are the main differences or similarities between aptosid and Arch/ArchBang?


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#8 2012-02-21 14:41:56

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Well, I must admit that on a daily basis I don't use it as my default but Archbang.
I use it when I have problems getting an application going or with some problems using websites.
I find the overall performance equal to AB in terms of  snappiness and responsiveness.
I have been updating much less than AB and  I never had big update issues.
So I haven't any complaints really, but with the addendum that I didn't use it as intensely as AB.

So in performance no real differences to speak of but of course working with Debian and Arch is quite a different story when it comes to configuration and fine tuning.
Edit:
I just went back to Aptosid to do a test and I think that Aptosid is somewhat snappier at the moment than Arch.
The big drawback of Aptosid is the time consuming update that you have to do in init 3 as root.

So you can't do anything else while you can update in Arch while doing your usual stuff. (While controlling the terminal output of the update process of course on useful  messages..)
Tip for dist-upgrade in Aptosid
If you do  while   still being in X

#apt-get update

and after that

#apt-get dist-update -d

You can do all the preparations in X as you will  be only downloading  everything you need.
But still after that going to init 3 logging in as root and updating etc now with
# apt-get dist-upgrade
will take you  some time anyway.
After
#apt-get clean
and
#init 5 && exit
I quickly adapt my grub menu.st file to the newest kernel as my aptosid partition doesn't contain the dominating grub installation of my hard disk.
Also something you don't usually have to do in Arch; happily, because every 6 hours there is a new kernel in Arch...
It is advised to update Aptosid weekly or so but at least once every two or three months, comparable to Arch.


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#9 2012-02-22 02:42:39

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

My system is updated to the 3.2.7 kernel now. Enjoying the experience at the moment. If I don't think about it, it feels like I'm using Arch (speed wise). I think Chromium is slightly faster on Sid than Arch. This is going to stay on my work netbook in case Arch/ArchBang breaks, along with Calculate Linux and Slackware.


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#10 2012-02-22 12:39:27

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Here's my desktop of my aptosid with Openbox.

vxCXS.png


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#11 2012-02-22 13:08:55

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Could you mail me your .conkyrc please? [I can remove logo] please

Looks like Lxterminal to me smile


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#12 2012-02-22 20:43:19

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

It is indeed lxterminal. I try to use other ones but always come back lxterminal. Here's the conky in case others want to try it or modify it:

own_window yes
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_type normal
background yes
font Trebuchet MS:size=9
xftfont Trebuchet MS:size=9
use_xft yes
xftalpha 0.5
update_interval 1.0
total_run_times 0
double_buffer yes
draw_shades yes
draw_outline yes
draw_borders no
draw_graph_borders yes
minimum_size 250 5
maximum_width 200
border_width 0
default_color white
default_shade_color black
default_outline_color black
alignment top_right
gap_x 5
gap_y 0
no_buffers yes
cpu_avg_samples 2
override_utf8_locale yes
uppercase no # set to yes if you want all text to be in uppercase
use_spacer right

#Headercolor
color0 FF0000

#Logocolor
color1 FF0000
color2 darkgrey

#Variable Text
color3 FF0000

#Graphen
color4 white

#Running
color5 FF0000

TEXT

${image ~/debianlogo.png -p 0,0 -s 195x55}


${font Trebuchet MS:size=9}${color0}SYSTEM ${hr 1}${color}${font}

Hostname: $alignr${color1}$nodename${color}
Kernel: $alignr${color1}$kernel${color}
Arch:${alignr}${color1}$machine${color}
Processes: ${alignr}${color1}$processes ($running_processes running)${color}
Uptime: ${alignr}${color1}$uptime${color}
Load: ${alignr}${color1}$loadavg${color}

${font Trebuchet MS:size=9}${color0}CPU ${hr 1}${color}${font}

${color4}CPU:1${color }   ${cpu cpu0}%${alignr}${freq}MHz / ${execi 10 sensors | grep  'Core 0' | awk '{print $3}'}${acpitemp}C
${color4}CPU:2${color }   ${cpu cpu1}%${alignr}${freq}MHz / ${execi 10 sensors | grep  'Core 0' | awk '{print $3}'}${acpitemp}C
${color4}CPU:3${color }   ${cpu cpu2}%${alignr}${freq}MHz / ${execi 10 sensors | grep  'Core 0' | awk '{print $3}'}${acpitemp}C
${color4}CPU:4${color }   ${cpu cpu3}%${alignr}${freq}MHz / ${execi 10 sensors | grep  'Core 0' | awk '{print $3}'}${acpitemp}C
${cpugraph 25,195 000000 FF0000}
Highest CPU $alignr CPU     MEM
${color5}
${top name 1}$alignr${top cpu 1}%${top mem 1}%
${top name 2}$alignr${top cpu 2}%${top mem 2}%
${top name 3}$alignr${top cpu 3}%${top mem 3}%
${color}
Highest MEM $alignr CPU     MEM
${color5}
${top_mem name 1}$alignr${top_mem cpu 1}%${top_mem mem 1}%
${top_mem name 2}$alignr${top_mem cpu 2}%${top_mem mem 2}%
${top_mem name 3}$alignr${top_mem cpu 3}%${top_mem mem 3}%
${color}
${font Trebuchet MS:size=9}${color0}PARTITIONS ${hr 1}${color}${font}

RAM ${color3}${alignr}$mem/$memmax${color}
${color4}${membar 10}${color}
SWAP ${color3}${alignr}$swap/$swapmax${color}
${color4}${swapbar 10}${color}
ROOT   ${color3}${alignr}${fs_used /}/${fs_size /}
${color4}${fs_bar 10 /}${color}
HOME   ${color3}${alignr}${fs_used /home}/${fs_size /home}
${color4}${fs_bar 10 /home}${color}

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#13 2012-02-23 01:54:34

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Thanks just got to find Archbang logo and I am sorted.....


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#14 2012-02-23 03:21:48

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

You just had to know this was coming smile My finished Aptosid desktop with LXDE. I need to find the aptosid logo font for "The sting of bleeding edge" wallpaper I made

gtNuT.png

ArchBang logo here http://i.imgur.com/ZArpF.png


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#15 2012-02-23 07:15:08

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Looking good, launchers yuk! smile thanks for logo


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#16 2012-02-23 08:31:48

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Launchers yuk is right because I haven't set up any keybinds yet smile


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#17 2012-02-24 11:10:03

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Just migrated aptosid to siduction. Fairly quick and not painful at all.


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#18 2012-02-24 17:26:21

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

I also saw a script to move  back.. somewhere...


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#19 2012-02-25 10:06:04

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

I re-installed Aptosid. Siduction XFCE feels incomplete and I didn't even have privileges to reboot or shutdown.


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#20 2012-03-06 15:24:25

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

A nice write up of IG on his use of  and experiences with Aptosid: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/03/ … siduction/


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#21 2012-03-07 10:18:48

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Even though this is for a Debian Sid install, I'll add it here for others wanting to run OB on Aptosid.

http://wiki.bitbinary.com/index.php/Deb … _-_Openbox


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#22 2012-03-07 16:48:49

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Thanks for the link. My first impression is this is a very clear and thorough manual.


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#23 2012-04-07 14:22:47

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Re: aptosid, another rolling release distro based on Debian Sid

Archbang is too super good for me. There is a significant performance advantage I perceive with relation to any other  non-arch-based distro I have tested. Aptosid and siduction, I have not yet compared against.
This weekend I shall be playing with aptosid. (Cannot resist it anymore.)

Is synaptic safe to use for daily software installs or do I use it to merely get names of packages and then apt-get packagename?

Thanks in advance.

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