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#1 2015-07-29 01:14:35

Mr Green
Registered: 2010-11-07
Posts: 6,906

Anyone heard of sabotage?

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#2 2015-07-29 02:31:51

Registered: 2015-07-10
Posts: 239

Re: Anyone heard of sabotage?


musl-cross seem to be very useful for me to build some packages.

thanks for sharing. smile

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#3 2015-07-30 08:04:15

From: Nijmegen, Holland
Registered: 2010-10-12
Posts: 3,630

Re: Anyone heard of sabotage?

This is completely new to me and even after looking at the github page I didn't quite grasp what is so unique.
So I did a bit of searching:

I discovered sabotage distribution:
The concepts I like about it are:
- compiling the kernel without using perl (it was possible for few years).
- static link the core tools (busybox); less exposure to attacks, easier chroot/sandbox on the fly.
(would you like chroot from 64 bits into 32 bits, run sandboxed browser, or install 32 bits tcz aka syslinux)
- smaler auxiliar libs: (libnl-tiny?); libnl-tiny is known to work without issues with at least: iw, wpa-supplicant, kismet, aircrack-ng, libpcap
- simple package and build manager, ala archlinux pacman AUR repository; so both the core AND the tcz extensions could be scripted if you are security concerned about alien (not exposed) tcz recipes..

I like the freedom of (better) alternatives:
- to use llvm vs gcc (gcc is surviving because it is still the only one who can compile the full kernel)
- smaller C libs, like musl (not uclib) vs glibc.
- smaller core tools (like toybox vs busybox partial/total replacment ?). Imagine even a static compiled busybox (with musl) and part of tinycore rootfs64.gz is the same as rootfs32.gz, because any CPU (32/64 bits) can run same code. core.gz= +libs.spec+ modules.


....Yesterday I decided to take time to play with
either FreeBSD or a minimalist Linux system.  Luckily I decided to learn
more about Sabotage.  What a joy!  Clean scripts and deceptively simple
engineering!  I put a clean ext4 filesystem on a partition as though I
were about to install Funtoo or Arch.  I'm quite familiar with
installing those; but, Sabotage was faster and easier to install.  MUCH
faster and easier.  I executed your three scripts
   ./build-stage 0
   butch install stage1 && butch install kernel
(that last one makes me smile -- installing a stage with that damned
simple package manager as if I were installing a single package).

In a very short time, mostly with the computer at the command prompt
waiting for me to return from the kitchen, I had a bootable linux system.

Well there was a small glitch.  The root filesystem was mounted
read-only.  Is that an artifact of the init system being different from
what I'm used to?  Anyway, I added "rw" to root filesystem options in
/etc/fstab and "rw" to the kernel command line in my grub.cfg and
rebooted and all was well.  In short order I was able to install xorg
and today I'm figuring out the init system (busybox init plus runit
services).  I like the init design.  Butch is great.

In between other things in the next week or so I'll try to replicate my
Funtoo desktop, fluxbox, rox-filer, mpv, and other things requiring gtk2
(and python).  I would be interested in hearing if anyone has been able
to build kde applications on Sabotage(?). On Funtoo I build okular,
kate, kile, gwenview and calligra without avahi, consolekit, dbus,
policykit, or pulseaudio. It would be nice to do that on Sabotage.

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