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#1 2011-11-03 15:07:54

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Fluxbox and Openbox compared - Favourite Window Manager -

As you will come to know, I am an avid Fluxbox WM user ... Fluxbox is closely based on Blackbox.

Fluxbox WM and Openbox WM, both can use the xorg-system-core, with NO desktop environment.
Much like what Crunchbang and Archbang have done.

Fluxbox is still closely based on Blackbox.  Some say that, Fluxbox is the natural progression of Blackbox.
Fluxbox is a basic Blackbox; with a few more things added for user-friendliness.
Not to take anything away from the base-Blackbox build ... the BB-Devs did an awesome job.
I use many of the BB scripts, themes/styles and apps with Fluxbox -- they seems to be pretty much forward and backward compatible.

Openbox, was also, based on Blackbox but has grown more apart/distant from the BB-base, with using and building it's own configs and apps.
Although, Openbox seems to be growing in popularity, with more Linux OS-distro systems using Ob as the default WM.

I have searched the internets and can find no forums for Fluxbox - and LostintheBox being the only Forum for Blackbox.

I have recently, taken over as an Admin for the LostintheBox Forum.
Consequently, would like to see the http://lostinthebox.com Forums become, "the place to go" for everything Blackbox and Fluxbox related.

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#2 2011-11-04 10:26:34

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people {who knows} say BLACKBOX is lighter than OB...

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#3 2011-11-04 13:57:24

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Blackbox was my first window manager in Linux IIRC, back in 2005 when I had a computer with only 32 MB of RAM. It certainly does the job, but by today's standards it's a bit primitive and in particular it lacks a minimise button.

I can't find a good reason these days to use it instead of Fluxbox or Openbox.

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#4 2011-11-04 15:01:08

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Don't forget the Arch Wiki Page on Fluxbox: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fluxbox .


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#5 2011-11-04 17:36:11

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I had used the Xfce D/E almost since my Day 1 with Linux.

Some time ago, I made the switch to Openbox along with #!Crunchbang.
I first used Openbox with the inception of Archbang - my first Arch experience.

Since, I have been using Fluxbox for the past year.
I have found Fluxbox to be easier to use and configure than Openbox.

Everything in Fluxbox is a 'script' (no gui) - the fb-panel, window-decoration, fb-styles (themes), right-click menu (with icons), fb-pager, start-up menu and Slit app.

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#6 2011-11-05 06:33:12

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Agreed, Fluxbox is good. So is FVWM-Crystal, which I've just installed in ArchBang. It has a very attractive interface even if it's a bit difficult to configure by hand (unlike Fluxbox).

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#7 2011-11-09 09:08:21

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at least there's where to choose: http://xwinman.org/

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#8 2011-11-15 18:36:41

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I love pekwm myself. I've looked at fluxbox before, and it was nice, but pekwm found me first. smile
One thing I'd love to do with pekwm eventually is to figure out it's config files so I can make as close to archbang's default openbox settings as I can (such as the SUPER+x shortcuts).

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#9 2011-11-29 21:40:33

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Has anyone tried Enlightenment?


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#10 2011-11-29 22:13:13

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Yes, sometime ago now though.
I didn't really like it.

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#11 2011-11-29 22:42:15

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What didn't you like?


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#12 2011-11-30 04:35:31

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The last time I tried it was looking great but responsiveness was very disappointing.


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#13 2011-11-30 23:11:17

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I love fluxbox, openbox and blackbox and yes i can certainly tell the differences. you are right about fluxbox and blackbox id love to help. im still a newb but i can check out the site and join. hmm... id have to say i like flux the best.


I started out as a bozo, but, now im a tester of sorts, I use arch and debian.

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#14 2011-11-30 23:14:55

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forgot to "quote" comments previously are for all interested but also for vrkalak.


I started out as a bozo, but, now im a tester of sorts, I use arch and debian.

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#15 2011-12-15 11:00:27

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Xfce+Compiz+Emerald

This is mostly because in future i love to hear my kids says "... Windows? NO, Thank you, but we prefer Linux."


Let's talk about rights and lefts. You're right so I left.

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#16 2011-12-16 22:20:02

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While I continue to use Fluxbox ... I have been playing with and learning more about how Openbox works.

I must say, that I am really getting into my Openbox . . . even learning to customize and create the ob-themes (basically, much like Flubox in this regard)

It's a toss-up . . . Openbox or Fluxbox . . . Fluxbox or Openbox  tongue

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#17 2011-12-17 05:17:31

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As you must know fluxbox quite well, I would appreciate a comparison of the two by you.
What do you miss in the one or the other, what do you find important differences?


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#18 2011-12-22 19:35:32

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I have also customized my ArchBang, switching to the Fluxbox WM. I found that easy to accomplish, but maybe I'll do an Arch-Fluxbox setup from scratch. For me the advantage of Fluxbox is what has already been mentioned, that the configuration files are plain text and not ".xml" files. And then I like having apps to start at given workspaces, positions and dimensions. That's what's in the ".fluxbox/apps" file. It also exists in the ".config/openbox/rc.xml" file <applications> section, but with few less features. In Fluxbox you may also simply rightclick the taskbar and choose what to "Remember.." about the app-window. That then automatically ends in the ".fluxbox/apps" file. Sometimes tweaking through "xprop" information is necessary. For the rest both WM are quite similar due to the blackbox origin. The performance must be about the same, although my feel is that Fluxbox is slightly snappier, but therefore grabs maybe slightly more RAM? Not sure about these, but Fluxbox for me is the more precise pangolin ;-)...

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#19 2011-12-23 04:41:10

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Thanks, Hymie! Very clear explanation. Should try and experiment with fluxbox again.


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#20 2011-12-23 08:02:55

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pablokal wrote:

a comparison

Simple! FLUX is lighter/faster than OB...

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#21 2011-12-23 09:29:06

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Targets (1): fluxbox-1.3.2-1 [0.65 MB]

Total Download Size:    0.65 MB
Total Installed Size:   4.21 MB
Targets (1): openbox-3.5.0-4 [0.31 MB]

Total Download Size:    0.31 MB
Total Installed Size:   2.20 MB

Looks like Openbox is lighter

As for which is faster Fluxbox has to load and run panels, icons, fancy menus which slows it down

Openbox comes with no panels, icons or fancy menus so runs very very fast


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#22 2011-12-23 13:27:29

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Fluxbox is still closely based on Blackbox.  Some say that, Fluxbox is the natural progression of Blackbox.
Fluxbox is a basic Blackbox;  with a few more tools and things - added for user-friendliness.
Not to take anything away from the base-Blackbox build ... the BB-Devs did an awesome job.
I use many of the BB scripts, themes/styles and apps with Fluxbox -- they seem to be pretty much forward and backward compatible.

The Openbox Developers have veered farther away from it's BB-parentage, while still keeping the Openbox build light on resources and minimal in appearance.  Personally, while I love Openbox, I have found Fluxbox to be easier to use and configure.

Fluxbox comes with menu and desktop transparency by default.  Openbox uses either xcompostmgr or cairo-compmgr - if 'enabled'
Fluxbox has it's own fb-panel ... whereas, Openbox uses a 3rd-party taskbar/panel, such as tint2
Fluxbox has an auto-updating menu ... Openbox menu is normally manually updated.  Although, the newer Openbox-3.5 seems to have addressed this.

Both Openbox and Fluxbox use scripts for all modifications . . . Fluxbox use a basic text-script while Openbox uses an .xml script/file
Openbox, also, has a GUI or two to configure itself, while Fluxbox still uses solely text-scripts (all located in the same ~/.fluxbox file)

I use both Openbox and Fluxbox, on all my OS's and computer systems . . . PC, Laptop and Netbook.

As far as, which is 'lighter' ... some OS-distros use Openbox installed over or along side another larger and much heavier Desktop Environment.
While both Openbox and Fluxbox WMs were, both, made to run as a 'stand-alone Window Manager built on a stable xorg-system-core.
No Desktop Environment is needed nor required.

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#23 2011-12-23 14:47:32

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Thanks, vrkalak, for the write up. In configuration these two may differ but in use there seems little difference.
Is fluxbox as easy as OB to set  up elaborate keybindings?


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#24 2011-12-23 15:39:19

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I forgot to mention the window tabs, that I also find useful. The "styles" are also very easy to customize or even doing it yourself. So it's  that I can control almost everything to work exactly the way I want it, with very simple means.

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#25 2011-12-23 15:47:53

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pablokal wrote:

Thanks, vrkalak, for the write up. In configuration these two may differ but in use there seems little difference.
Is fluxbox as easy as OB to set  up elaborate keybindings?

There is a ".fluxbox/keys" file, and I find it more comfortable to edit the keybindings there than in openbox.
Just as examples:

Mod4 E :ExecCommand geany
Mod1 Mod4 E :ExecCommand sudo geany
Mod4 K :ExecCommand xfce4-taskmanager
Mod4 B :ExecCommand VirtualBox
Mod4 W :ExecCommand firefox
Mod4 M :ExecCommand thunderbird
Mod4 R :ExecCommand radiotray

Mod4 H :MaximizeHorizontal
Mod4 V :MaximizeVertical
Mod4 Down :MoveTo * 0 Lower
Mod4 Left :MoveTo 0 * Left
Mod4 Right :MoveTo 0 * Right
Mod4 Up :MoveTo * 0 Upper

XF86AudioRaiseVolume :Exec amixer set Master 5%+
XF86AudioLowerVolume :Exec amixer set Master 5%-

Links:
http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title … _shortcuts
http://linux.die.net/man/5/fluxbox-keys

Here the "xev" command is useful, to find the names of "special" keys...

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#26 2011-12-23 19:20:39

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Mr Green wrote:
Targets (1): fluxbox-1.3.2-1 [0.65 MB]

Total Download Size:    0.65 MB
Total Installed Size:   4.21 MB
Targets (1): openbox-3.5.0-4 [0.31 MB]

Total Download Size:    0.31 MB
Total Installed Size:   2.20 MB

Looks like Openbox is lighter

As for which is faster Fluxbox has to load and run panels, icons, fancy menus which slows it down

Openbox comes with no panels, icons or fancy menus so runs very very fast

Fluxbox can be run without panels or icons.
Menus are fast and can be configured in many ways via the init file as will.

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#27 2011-12-23 19:28:08

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hymie wrote:

I forgot to mention the window tabs, that I also find useful. The "styles" are also very easy to customize or even doing it yourself. So it's  that I can control almost everything to work exactly the way I want it, with very simple means.

Yeah, I agree. The tabbing feature is a great feature, allowing grouping of programs in different window groups sharing the same window.
Setup/Startup of window location and precise sizing via apps file. Start up programs via the app file to be tabbed in different groups.
Very nice feature. Simple/fast to change/select styles/wallpapers from menu.

		[submenu] (Styles)
			[stylesdir] (/usr/share/fluxbox/styles)
			[stylesdir] (~/.fluxbox/styles)
		[end]
		[submenu] (Wallpaper)
                        [wallpapers] (~/.fluxbox/wallpaper)
                [end]

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#28 2011-12-23 20:54:20

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I find the Nuevat3k-Glacier "style" (theme) nice to start with - from here: http://klowner.com/themes/ .
Then the very simple but sexy Artwiz fonts ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artwiz_fonts & http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra … wiz-fonts/ ) are a must in Fluxbox.
There you have a "~/.fluxbox/styles/Nuevat3k-Glacier/theme.cfg" file that can easily be customized.

(Just an example)

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#29 2011-12-24 05:13:35

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Nice the way this thread is developing; it only lacks some screenshots and maybe links to video with fluxbox configuration in action.


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#30 2011-12-24 05:17:31

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@Kuppt Openbox is still faster even if you took out menus icons panels and everything else

Think the biggest thing that puts people off Openbox is XML and most of that can be avoided with obkey obmenu etc...


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#31 2011-12-24 05:56:50

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Think the biggest thing that puts people off Openbox is XML

I think you are right about that; saw a lot of people writing about that;  the funny thing is that I don't find it a problem at all; I always edit in the code.
Like, huh, what is so difficult about the xml code???


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#32 2011-12-24 09:07:10

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Very basic, with "arch-bluish" touch ;-)

http://i44.tinypic.com/e8se80.png

EDIT: This one with ArchBang logo:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ninmlf.png

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#33 2011-12-24 14:29:05

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Nice, is that a tint2 panel? Font rendering in the applications looks great. I notice that many people use gradients in the menu and program windows headings in fluxbox.
Gives it a retro feel.


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#34 2011-12-24 17:05:34

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pablokal wrote:

Nice, is that a tint2 panel? Font rendering in the applications looks great. I notice that many people use gradients in the menu and program windows headings in fluxbox.
Gives it a retro feel.

Yes, it's tint2. The font rendering has nothing to do with fluxbox, it's the "ubuntu" stuff that comes with Archbang 2011-11. And for the rest, it's all the "Artwiz" fonts - very simple. The menu has the "snap" font (by the "style" default) and the windows headings I've costomized to be centered and using the "aqui" font. You'd just have to try it and the config files are pretty self-explanatory. It's really very simple. To install fluxbox you just have to add it in slim.conf and this is my ".xinitrc" that works perfectly:

#!/bin/sh
export BROWSER=firefox
export DE=xfce
case $1 in
openbox) ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session ;;
fluxbox) ck-launch-session dbus-launch startfluxbox ;;
esac
pkill -u $USER xfconfd
pkill -u $USER gconfd-2
pkill -u $USER dbus-daemon

And this is the complete list of what I've installed regarding "fluxbox", some things also usefull for "openbox":

packer -S fluxbox --noconfirm
packer -S xorg-xmessage --noconfirm
packer -S archlinux-xdg-menu --noconfirm
packer -S feh --noconfirm
packer -S gxmessage --noconfirm
packer -S xcursor-obsidian --noedit --noconfirm
packer -S artwiz-fonts --noconfirm
packer -S gtk2fontsel --noconfirm

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#35 2011-12-25 22:32:35

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Fluxbox and ROX-Filer pinboard
http://i.imgur.com/mspZ8.png
Tabbed Windows
http://i.imgur.com/CQqKl.png
Menu System
http://i.imgur.com/NpEN8.png

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#36 2011-12-26 06:38:57

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Thanks. Brad Mehldau, like him too. Again that retro look, that is mostly achieved by the choice of fonts and gradients.


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#37 2011-12-27 11:46:45

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A reddish "lava" style. I'd have to look for better gtk-themes. Next I'll try something "snowwhite"...

http://i44.tinypic.com/os4d37.png

EDIT: This is with ArchBang logo added ;-)
http://i43.tinypic.com/6ns7c8.png

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#38 2011-12-29 15:03:26

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This is the last one, just to show what can be done very easily. A bit dirty the snow ;-)...

http://i43.tinypic.com/f9e82g.png

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#39 2011-12-30 09:05:14

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What is the name of the menu title font you used in this snapshot?

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#40 2011-12-30 10:41:04

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It's the "1979" font. Strangely I have an issue with it. When using it as "bold", the "D" letter appears not "bold", all other letters are. But the other things are OK, i.e. "regular", "italic" and "bold italic". Maybe I'll try to download from different places to see if there is a perfect version.

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#41 2011-12-30 19:09:40

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@hymie
Thanks....found this here.
http://www.maxfonts.com/fonts/number/1979.font

Here's more to choose from;
http://www.maxfonts.com/sitemap.txt

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#42 2011-12-30 21:33:59

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There are many places and it seems always to be the same package from 08/12/1997 with the currupted bold "D" letter ;-)

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#43 2011-12-30 23:30:31

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hymie wrote:

There are many places and it seems always to be the same package from 08/12/1997 with the currupted bold "D" letter ;-)

Psssstthhh!! ...To bad ..it tis a nice font. I just incorporated it into my new menu :-)
http://i.imgur.com/0Dgbf.png

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#44 2011-12-31 10:47:22

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With the built-in pseudo-transparency:

eamnwk.png

Maybe I'll put all my favorite internet bookmarks to the menu, so when changing the browser I just have to do a "search and replace" and not bothering how to get them from one browser to the other...
By the way, you can have font-shadows by adding such a line:

menu.title.font.effect:	shadow

Here is a good tutorial:
http://tenr.de/howto/style_fluxbox/style_fluxbox.html

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#45 2012-01-01 00:01:24

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@hymie
Thanks
That is nice, ...like what you did with the fluxbox logo on your desktop in your last screenshot too.

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#46 2012-01-01 05:15:53

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Ok, now you guys got me started. Installed AntiX on a partition and ready to play with Fluxbox before trying with AB.


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#47 2012-01-01 09:41:18

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Kruppt wrote:

That is nice, ...like what you did with the fluxbox logo on your desktop in your last screenshot too.

It's just another downloaded Wallpaper - everything just one or two  clicks away. So my "stable" ;-) desktop is still this one:
http://i41.tinypic.com/13zvmlk.png

The others are just experimental.
But what I'm noticing is that when changing or tweaking the styles, sometimes a fluxbox-restart is required. In some cases not everything gets changed by "reconfiguring" only. That might confuse many, as it did sometimes to me when tweaking/reconfiguring and *sometimes* nothing happens ;-)
What's also a bit annoying is changing the conky colors according to the background, so I'll keep it very simple until maybe I find an everlasting design ;-)...

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#48 2012-01-02 10:00:49

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ArchVortex wrote:

Ok, now you guys got me started. Installed AntiX on a partition and ready to play with Fluxbox before trying with AB.

I found it easier just to install the fluxbox package, but I'm curious about the antiX ROX-desktop/filer environment. So maybe you can tell about that before I try experimenting with it....

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#49 2012-01-02 10:24:31

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ArchVortex wrote:

Ok, now you guys got me started. Installed AntiX on a partition and ready to play with Fluxbox before trying with AB.

Heh Heh,
You'll have to be careful, after to much usage you could get hooked,
and have a conversion to Fluxbox LOL!
I got hooked after running this very small distro called "Damn Small Linux" for admin type work
on my computers. (dd, rsync, fdisk, mke2fs) The whole distro was never larger than 50mb.
The Devs had Fluxbox as the main windows manager on this distro for years, the more I used it
the more I liked it. The last version of DSL that used Fluxbox is "DSL 3.4.12"
In the various versions, he had different dock apps in the slot.
Another distro that has Fluxbox already to go is the last several versions of GRML.(As will as many other light WM's)
There is also a Fluxbox LiveCD version of SalixOS.
Then AntiX, good distro from the great community at Mepis.

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#50 2012-01-02 10:34:20

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hymie wrote:
ArchVortex wrote:

Ok, now you guys got me started. Installed AntiX on a partition and ready to play with Fluxbox before trying with AB.

I found it easier just to install the fluxbox package, but I'm curious about the antiX ROX-desktop/filer environment. So maybe you can tell about that before I try experimenting with it....

Ok...will do...have to collect all together to present it properly,
give me a day or two to put together a comprehensive easy guide.

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#51 2012-01-02 11:36:20

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hymie wrote:
Kruppt wrote:

That is nice, ...like what you did with the fluxbox logo on your desktop in your last screenshot too.

It's just another downloaded Wallpaper - everything just one or two  clicks away. So my "stable" ;-) desktop is still this one:
http://i41.tinypic.com/13zvmlk.png

The others are just experimental.
But what I'm noticing is that when changing or tweaking the styles, sometimes a fluxbox-restart is required. In some cases not everything gets changed by "reconfiguring" only. That might confuse many, as it did sometimes to me when tweaking/reconfiguring and *sometimes* nothing happens ;-)
What's also a bit annoying is changing the conky colors according to the background, so I'll keep it very simple until maybe I find an everlasting design ;-)...

Well they all look really good none the less. (Your different desktop selections and menu/conky modifications)

Yeah, I don't know which version of Fluxbox I started noticing it,
but even if you change styles, you need to restart Fluxbox menu syntax:[restart] (Restart).
I use to be able to just change papers and styles from the menu (syntax posted up thread)
without a restart. At some point I plan to downgrade to an earlier version where this was not the case.
That is until I find the time to see if maybe they changed the way this works,
and I have older configs that the syntax I'm using no longer applies, and have to
properly edit some of the syntax in the config files. I've had to do it in the past
when running older configs with a newer build.
Old config syntax caused problems with certain things not working proper.
Have not read the latest Flux info to check on the situation.
All else seems to work properly. Doing a restart syncs it all in properly though,
so haven't been in a big rush to dig to the bottom of it yet.

I hear you on the conky colors.
I had not even bothered with it till you shamed me into cleaning up my conkyrc file. LOL!
I finally edited it, to be a bit more color balanced with my New "snowwhite" wallpaper. LOL!
I found that paper on one of the sites you listed ;-)
I like it, ....thanks for bringing it to my attention ;-)
When I have the time ...I think I will create several .conkyrc files that have some standard color changes that match
a few of the simple wallpapers I do like to use. I don't change wallpapers/styles all that often myself.

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#52 2012-01-02 19:59:30

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It was just because "pablokal" asked for some screenshots that I started producing these different "styles". It's not a big deal and by the way I've also learned a few things ;-)
But regarding the (rox) desktop - I'd like to have the desktop as download folder and clicking files there instead of having to go to the file-manager.... Launcher icons aren't an issue for me, since I'm using the keyboard shortcuts and for what's missing the menu. But the "desktop-manager" should not interfere with anything else, i.e. wallpapers, menu-rightclick, conky etc...
I tried "pcmanfm --desktop", but was not happy with it besides that I don't like the "pcmanfm" generally.

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#53 2012-01-14 08:30:45

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Using FluxBox now on my Calculate Linux partition and absolutely loving it. Going to run FB on my ArchBang with testing repos partition. With all the great info being shared on this thread and the fun I'm having configuring and playing around, I think I just heard myself thinking out loud about making a ArchFlux .iso.


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#54 2012-01-15 03:47:50

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Here's my Calculate Linux w/ FluxBox desktop. It's ...um......purpley...kind of. Think Barney meets Gentoo meets Prince meets Deep Purple. But don't go singing Purple Rain. Think Smoke on the Water.... slow talkin' Walter, fire engine guy wink

3qovwl.png


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#55 2012-01-15 06:41:42

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This isn't tint what you have at the bottom; what is it and is it possible to show all active applications on all desktops like in tint?


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#56 2012-01-15 08:17:11

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It's the fluxbox toolbar (panel). I don't know if you can show all active applications on all desktops like in tint. I'm just learning FluxBox. I actually want to get rid of the Workspace on the toolbar as I only use one workspace.

Addendum: I can change this in  ~/.fluxbox/init . Honestly, I can't believe how much configuration you can do with FB. I was playing around learning to tweak the style (theme). So much nicer than OB. I think I found my new desktop.

U2Rugl.png


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#57 2012-01-15 18:22:08

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@ ArchVortex  >  Welcome to the Fluxbox-Users Club.

While I love Openbox ... Fluxbox is so much better.

I have found Fluxbox to be much easier to use and configure than Openbox.

And, yes . . . you can 'literally' configure everything in Fluxbox (if you use the right script file)

Yes, you can 'show all open apps' by right-clicking on the panel itself, and re-configure it . . . play around with it, you'll find it  tongue

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#58 2012-01-16 22:43:27

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ArchVortex wrote:

I think I found my new desktop.

Changing to other desktops meanwhile makes me feel like becoming handicapped and it's certainly not only because I got used to it.  Nice desktop by the way ;-)

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#59 2012-01-18 10:41:02

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Promise this is the last pic I'll post in this thread. This is my AB running Fluxbox. I tweaked the bias_purple style to blue.

I feel kind of embarrassed because years ago I came across Fluxbox and thought it was primitive and very limited because of the default screen and menu. I was running Gnome 2 at the time and felt I had no reason to explore other desktops and I kind of laughed at Fluxbox and Blackbox. How wrong I was!!!! What was the name of the window manager that comes with ArchBang again? lol

RMaUKl.png


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#60 2012-01-18 13:57:58

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Why do all screenshots of fluxbox have gradients in window and menu headers?


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#61 2012-01-18 15:20:05

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ArchVortex wrote:

What was the name of the window manager that comes with ArchBang again?

Openbox....

You almost has us fooled until I saw Obconf in your menu


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#62 2012-01-18 16:53:18

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pablokal wrote:

Why do all screenshots of fluxbox have gradients in window and menu headers?

Just depends on how the styles theme.cfg is configured, you could have it set to flat or flat solid or several other settings.
You could edit any existing theme.cfg and change it to your own preferred look.
It's just that the themes that were posted in the screenshots, happen to be configured to be using gradients is all.

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#63 2012-01-18 21:41:24

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@Kruppt

I haven't removed OB from the original install. If I need to move back for some reason for testing purposes it's there. lol

@Pablokal I prefer the gradients as opposed to flats. Here is a great comparison of what you can do http://tenr.de/howto/style_fluxbox/text … mples.html. You could make a madpablo theme for Fluxbox. big_smile


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#64 2012-01-19 05:27:16

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Thanks, for the link, Archvortex, on this page: http://tenr.de/styles/  I see also non gradient screenshots.
I  like  flat window headers and so on, not the pseudo 3d effect that gradients provide.


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#65 2012-01-19 10:09:53

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ArchVortex wrote:

@Kruppt

I haven't removed OB from the original install. If I need to move back for some reason for testing purposes it's there. lol

@Pablokal I prefer the gradients as opposed to flats. Here is a great comparison of what you can do http://tenr.de/howto/style_fluxbox/text … mples.html. You could make a madpablo theme for Fluxbox. big_smile

That was Mr Green that made the comment about OpenBox.
I have Openbox installed as well as 10 others for exploring each of them. LOL!

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#66 2012-01-19 11:05:14

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@Kruppt only 10! smile

Wonder if they do a fluxbox theme for Openbox


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#67 2012-01-19 15:49:05

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http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title … _shortcuts
http://linux.die.net/man/5/fluxbox-keys
These are the most important pages for me as I feel totally disabled without the keyboard shortcuts I use from OB.
This is the biggest hurdle for me to translate  the keybindings from my rc.xml file to the keys file in /home/user/.fluxbox.
I found an acceptable theme, sorry, style in spatula. After setting that  the style option dialog stopped working; to solve this I had to change ~/.fluxbox/styles  to  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles in the menu file in /home/user/.fluxbox

Interesting the easy tabbing of different applications:
control-click a window's titlebar and drag to attach windows
OnTitlebar Control Mouse1 :StartTabbing
Link about window tabbing: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/ … #CHAP-TABS

I find fluxbox not  slower but also not faster than openbox on my system.

I think fluxbox is easier to learn for newbies than openbox.
And definite pro for fluxbox is the right click option on the window header with the remember option where you can easily set window place, position, dimensions, save on close etc, well what you can define in the apps file in /home/user/fluxbox.


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#68 2012-01-19 18:21:36

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pablokal wrote:

http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title … _shortcuts
http://linux.die.net/man/5/fluxbox-keys
These are the most important pages for me as I feel totally disabled without the keyboard shortcuts I use from OB.
This is the biggest hurdle for me to translate  the keybindings from my rc.xml file to the keys file in /home/user/.fluxbox.
I found an acceptable theme, sorry, style in spatula. After setting that  the style option dialog stopped working; to solve this I had to change ~/.fluxbox/styles  to  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles in the menu file in /home/user/.fluxbox

Interesting the easy tabbing of different applications:
control-click a window's titlebar and drag to attach windows
OnTitlebar Control Mouse1 :StartTabbing
Link about window tabbing: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/ … #CHAP-TABS

I find fluxbox not  slower but also not faster than openbox on my system.

I think fluxbox is easier to learn for newbies than openbox.
And definite pro for fluxbox is the right click option on the window header with the remember option where you can easily set window place, position, dimensions, save on close etc, well what you can define in the apps file in /home/user/fluxbox.

You can create a /home/pablokal/.fluxbox/styles folder and a /home/pablokal/.fluxbox/wallpaper folder.
You can then put any styles that you find/download, in the home located styles folder and
put any wallpapers that you like in the wallpaper folder. Then you can select them from your menu.
Partial menu file section as example:

	[submenu] (FluxBox)
		[workspaces] (Workspaces)
		[submenu] (Styles)
			[stylesdir] (/usr/share/fluxbox/styles)
			[stylesdir] (~/.fluxbox/styles)
		[end]
		[submenu] (Wallpaper)
                        [wallpapers] (~/.fluxbox/wallpaper)
                [end]
                [exec] (Gtk Themes) {gtk-chtheme}
                [exec] (Gtk2 Dock) {gtk-theme-switch2}
		[submenu] (Fluxconf)
		[exec] (About) {(fluxbox -v; fluxbox -info | sed 1d) 2> /dev/null | xmessage -file - -center} 
		[exec] (Fluxconf) {fluxconf}
                [exec] (fluxkeys) {fluxkeys}
                [exec] (fluxmenu) {fluxmenu}
                [exec] (Rox Pinboard) {/usr/bin/rox --pinboard=Default &}
		[exec] (Rox right panel) {/usr/bin/rox -b=Default &}
		[exec] (Rox Mime Editor) {/usr/share/MIME-Editor/AppRun} <>		
		[exec] (Regen Menu) {fluxbox-generate_menu}
		[config] (Configure)
		[reconfig] (Reconfig)
		[restart] (Restart)
		[end]
#		[exit] (Exit)
		[exec] (Exit) {exit.sh}
#		[exec] (lfpower) {lfpower}
	[end]

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#69 2012-01-20 03:45:58

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I understood that. Just choose to make style settings system generic. Thanks for your example.
Maybe it is a nice thing to create a different section on Fluxbox in which people share menu's and keys files.
I'm still not done with my keys file.


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#70 2012-01-21 18:47:53

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Now I fully understand why Fluxbox was the WM of choice for a lot of the FreeBSD clans, way back when. and obviously still is.
I also ignored it too, for many, many years ... opting for KDE or gnome2, and then Ubumtu, ..., thst is, until more recently with Openbox/Archbang, and just never looked back.
Meanwhile FB was right under my nose all this time.

  Well, these FB shots here, were literally eye-opening, and the side-by-sides of OB and FB were inspiring,
- Excellent stuff !

Thanks all.

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