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The rc's are just test releases, but the "Official" AB's have gotta be "gold", atleast at their time, to start with, re-checked and double-checked.
Other than that, I guess minor changes are ok, of course.
So far, I have found no issues, but this is just breifly ?
as an old Arch user I never read news page, wiki, or manuals....
ahh k, so that explains it.
Gotcha. ![]()
I second that motion, and appreciation.
There's a recent mlt bug about this: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/35756
Even better than snapper, is just use Clonezilla to completely backup a restorable main system drive. clonexilla never failed me.
@Mr.Green, yes ZFS on Linux would be great, but it's much easier to setup on ArchBSD. ![]()
@BigF anyway I'm outta ideas as to what may be wrong with your raid, Oliver's idea was the best since obviously you checked everything else so far ?
It sounds like Mr.G pointed you in the right direction, as of late, via new changes in Arch, namely -> https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries … ervention/ -all those steps need to be followed to the letter.
Did any of your previously default md confs change ?, major kernel updates in Arch do sporadically intoduce ramdom problems at times.
Hopefully it's not a weird hardware raid issue that suddenly cropped up. ?
If you're running such an important "raid", maybe arch''s more stable "LTS" kernel would be a better/safer environment, since everything had worked before for you, and in future, would be worth considering.
-jus thinkin' out loud.
Looked at snapper its more for butter-fs, ....
Exactly, "butter-fs", Lol again,
Linux should use a REAL fs: like "ZFS": - the fs of all fs's !![]()
"snapper" was interesting, and of course they always throw a plug in for their buddies at System76, the "beast" -Bonobo Extreme. Lol.
at this point, I'll settle for a more workable Archbang-uefi install iso, I could care less about Win8.
Not to be disrespectful to anyone either,
But, If it makes it easier to solve a bigger problem, for Linux, (meaning an archbang-uefi), despite the smaller one, (Win8 housewives), then I'm all for it, for now.
Nice system you have there if a little slow and under powered
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@scjet Why are you not watching the Grand Prix?
I ran outta "GAS".![]()
Mr Green wrote:If your system has that capability and you are not dual booting then yes disable and set up gpt partition scheme. As uefi is so complex think adding full support to abinstall will take a lot of work, which I may not be able to achieve in the short term.
Thanks, I'l do that!
Only one more question: UEFI enabled + UEFI System, gives a real boost in performance, security, and stability, as some reviewers, sites, forums say, or is it just fancy words to elude users to buy a new PC, technically speaking?
Well, that's acutually BS !
It offers some security, but then again NO, not with fat32, and performace?, it's FAT32 dude, it's just a mean JOKE, that is full of security holes too !?
So yes, instead, I agree with your original suspicion "... or is it just fancy words to elude users to buy a new PC, technically speaking?" <- AND, "they" also want you to buy a PC/Device/..., with Windows H8 ! -that's what it's really ALL about...![]()
sooo, Yup.
I was lucky enough (with my Asus K75D latop) that I still have the ability to choose, within bios, either uefi or Legacy-bios.
The point is, "uefi" DOES, unfortunately, depend on the uefi hardware/implentation manufacturer, so to speak.
For example, I tried to install the latest (official)Arch_201306 media.
Everuthing went fine uefi-wise until I booted, it failed, even after installling grub2-uefi..., or whatever,
but then, by chance, I discovered, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GR … U47_Family, upon which, a simple "make sure" that -> /boot/efi/shellx64.efi exists, suddenly allowed it to boot succcesfully, ..., even within uefi-firmware. wtf ???
Anyway, the future-trouble is, many MB/Laptop makers, these days, are opting for "UEFI-ONLY" default, BUT, in their "own" stupid-non-standard way.
I was, and still am, perfectly happy running multiple-distro's on anything with uefi-disabled, simply because it works flawlessly, for now.
But, as many others have already mentioned as well, "...UEFI is going to be a permanent fixture, whether we like it or not..."
k, 'nuff said.
It's high time it works for ALL Linux distro's, seamlessly or not.
-jus' my 2-cents.
yes, fat32/EFI bootable partition creations, with fstab mount support within Archbang-uefi-rc, (lets include dosfstools too), does need to be addressed, (similar to the way genfstab works in Arch), ..., amongst other re-writes for "abinstall" just to work in a UEFI installable environment.
It'll eventually come.
@scjet its odd you had to create fat part. I just dd'ed iso to usb .... part of build script has....
ya but juist dd'ing your AB-rc-uefi iso to a usb drive isn't enough, it doesn't boot via uefi.
That script of yours is looking better though, slowly.
According to this, as I mentioned: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … B_from_ISO
that's basically it, except I simply substituted the official_Arch_201306 media/iso with your latest archbang-rc-uefi iso,.... and it boots Live, fine.
Unfortunately, it's seems to be the present "UEFI" mentality, depending on your hardware manufacturer, that searches bootable media for only the "fat32/fat16" partition crap. It's almost like we have to go backwards in time, technologically speaking, just for this UEFI shit in Linux to work ?!
If UEFI is supposed to be an opensource standard of some sorts, like certain folk say, then why is LINUX way behind the times with this. why fat16/32 dependability here. ?!
Why not ext*, ???, in other words the filesystems should be more transparent.
mmm oh ya, I forgot, Microsoft/Windows still controls everybody -hehehe, and hardware robots/puppets from "Asus to -> Zoltran" simply follow the leader, sadly enough for us.
What a f__K_n joke.!
I'm sorry, but I absolutely H8 Windows/M$ ![]()
Also, this usb-created archbang-rc-uefi boots from both UEFI, or standard MBR-Legacy-Bios.
I'm posting this with it right now. by booting live with both either uefi enabled, Or disabled.
Needless to say, this is just the tip of the iceberg for you, but it's definitely scriptable.![]()
Anyone bothered to test new uefi iso?. Have a feeling it is not going to boot but if you get grub or whatever then will work from there. Iso also includes:
grub-efi-x86_64 gummiboot refind-efi gptfdiskOf course abinstall will not install bootloader out of the box. Would rather get iso booting first....
maybe also include the "efibootmgr" package as well, if it's not included already. ?
Yes, it boots Live, and in UEFI, but I had to create a FAT32 2gig partition on a usb stick, ..., copy the loop mounted AB-rc-uefi iso over to this usb fat32 partition, as mentioned above and elsewhere, for it to boot in uefi mode.
I mean, it could also be a 1Gig fat32 parttion on the usb stick, it doesn't really matter.
Basically, I just created a FAT32 parttion of around 2 Gigs, sdx1, on a usb stick.
then -> http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?pid=23847#p23847
But it doesn't install successfully, which is what I'm trying to do uefi-wise. The "abinstall"script tries to install standard-MBR grub2, ...,
it's just a uefi-bootable Live-version only, of archbang-rc
@JCChristian
If it's any consolation, I tried to follow "viktor845867"'s steps including jumping around the 6 different arch wiki links and it's been hours of failure, and confusion for me.
I can easily build a USB archbang-UEFI-LIVE (using FAT32, ...), but, for example, where does he get the need for fat16, ..., I dunno ?
I'm happy for "viktor845867" if it's working for him.
But ya, @viktor845867, please explain in "detail" if you would be so kind. ![]()
Nevertheless, the good folks here at archbang are working hard at trying to build a uefi-archbang, ... it's slowly coming.
Yep, It all depends on the uefi each manufacturer is using ?
Basically, on my laptop, for Linux's like Arch,... just disable Microsoft "Secure Boot", and enable UEFI.
If your system-BIOS has an enable/disable "CSM" (Compatibility Support Module for MBR-Bioses), then disable it to turn on UEFI support, Or, enable it if you just want standard-MBR booting ability.
Again though, mileage varies.
Good Luck ![]()
No probs, I'll offer to help too, time permitting when I can.
I would more than likely go back to Intel, you are right I do need a new mobo. Could do with sata3. Must admit I did not think you could get UEFI motherboards, though it was crappy W8 laptops and tablets.
http://ark.intel.com/products/63696
yeah yeah yeah!!!
That's an insane Socket-2011 ![]()
ya, almost all newer (Intel-based) MB's have uefi now, like asus, gigabyte... -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl1vkj2yB1A (Socket 1155, the uefi stuff is about 4:48 into that vid).
EDIT: Or, for some "I Hate uEFI IN Linux" humour <- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNC5MIajjD8 I absolutely agree with him about how "freekin'" irritating all this can really be, sometimes ![]()
I still have my older (non-uefi) i7 MB's, haven't upgraded myself yet, but I'm pretty sure all the newer sandy-bridge intel cpu's/MB's are all uefi compliant today. ?
And you're right, my crappy Laptop has uefi, but I removed Win8 on it months ago, couldn't stand it.
Something like this: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2089/4/, ? (under 300), unless you prefer Intel/Nvidia, which will likely be a little more expensive.
It is definitely scriptable.
Well, maybe it's time to just upgrade your Mothetrboard to a uefi-supported one. ![]()
Try to grab a cheap/standard uefi-2.* compliant MB.
(just stay clear of those screwy "hybrid-uefi" MB's.)
...and for much less than 300, especially if you have a compatible case,...
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB_EFI_Examples
excerpt from the Summary:
It is well known that different motherboard manufactures implement UEFI differently....
The above is likely to only get worse, if it ever gets better ?! - NO thanks to all those stupid manufacturers for not adhereing to any kind-of "standards".
Either way, Linux Users will have to dig in and adapt to their specific uefi hardware implementaions, which in arch, won't be n00b-proof for quite some time.
That explains why the arch-wiki docs on uefi, as good as they are, are all over the map.
I also presume this will make it reasonably hard to build and maintain in any new/modified "abinstall" script.
Unfortunately, uefi is here to stay now, permanently.
I followed this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Un … B_from_ISO section using our latest archbang-RC, and and the Official Arch_201306 (mkfs.vfat ....).
EDIT: I then copied over the /EFI, and /loader directories from an Official 2013_06 Arch iso, onto the writeable mounted usb partition of the archbang-rc mnt,
and voila, I had a uefi bootable (usb) archbang, just as a quick, and useless test. ![]()
OR,
-note: if you use http://sourceforge.net/projects/archban … o/download, then you don't have to copy over or even use the Official ARCH_201306 iso,
However, for the "mkfs.vfat..." line you should just use the label ARCHBANG,
EDIT: meaning, AB via uefi, booted into a "Live" environment, however, if I were to try to install it, grub,... would obviously fail.
I followed along the ideas as previously posted by you guys <- http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=4412
Obviously there's a lot more to it, like you said, that would have to be built into the "abinstall" script, for this to fly.
@Mr. Green, If I could, I'd definitely send you a uefi-capable laptop for testing ... Trouble is, these uefi systems are still too "new" to pick up at any bargain-basement sale right now-unless it's broken. ![]()
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=164418
The folks at Arch are pondering this again.
Looks like I won't miss it.![]()
Antergos 2013.05.30: (formerly known as Cinnarch).
- I had to manually add .../EFI/boot/bootx64.efi to my uefi/bios pathname, but that was likely me doing something wrong ?
Also, it only has uefi-support for it's "CLI-Installer" at this time.
https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail … 25003.html
Already got caught by grub move in last release, was hard coded into abinstall easy fix but guess more on the way
Don't worry, it looks like the folks over at Arch, are still getting caught up again, in their own new mess too.
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries … ervention/![]()
For anyone who has a "newer" AMD/ATI Radeon card and want the nice, full 3D/power capabilities,..., then "catalyst-test" in AUR supports Xorg-Server 1.14 and newer.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/catalyst-test/
There's NO need to downgrade to Xorg->1.13, ..., with all those headaches anymore.![]()
-If you've installed catalyst drivers before, from AUR, then this is simply the same pre-procedures involved.
The instructions, during install of "catayst-test", are very easy to follow. (thanks to Vi0L0).
( Note: if you have a laptop, don't forget to make sure the "acpi", and "acpid" packages are pre-installed )
Linux doesn't NEED to re-write much of anything, and when it does, it can adapt, and do so very well, and much more quickly and easily than Windoze, or google,...
We ALL know Linux/Unix is better that any Windows, ..., could dream of being, just by freedom of choice alone.
imho, Mark needs to focus on a new mass-produced hardware solution, but this time, built and tweaked specifically for Linux, that's where his(their's/canonical/investers) money should go, there's a lot more Markets in asia, and everywhere else too, than we think.
...still, it's a nice dream.
Geez, I hate to quote the bible Mark, but: "... Pride doth goeth before the fall... "
-no pity here.
Hey, he would've better off trying to find/Invest in (open)hardware-makers for Linux OS's, way back when, instead of hoping for "closed/greedy/proprietary" manufacturing-corporations to come to him, meaning, as if they really did anyway, for the last 20 years or so ... ?.
In other words, there must've been a reason, only awhile back, Torvalds had said :"...fuck you, Nvidia, ..."
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ahh k, that explains it. thanks.
I guess I did sound kinda "panicky" after I said "It's kinda funny" ;\
well, this is kinda funny,
'cause with "archbang-rc-15.05.2013-x86_64.iso" I had no problems installing Grub, but with
"archbang-rc-01.06.2013-x86_64.iso" all I got was "Error Installing Grub....", ? and then of course, afterwards, it would NOT boot.
and yes, it's all the same hardware/laptop that I used for the same install.
and no, I didn't use Vmware, (which most Users don't either).
Any idea's ?
...so, will the "official" new releases have slim, or a login manager?, not to be confused with these "rc's".
It appears, things may be gettin' too slim with our nice archbang iso's
@tommydust:
...I've seen that link before and tried both steps...
meaning you tried "Auto-Select" step 1st, and gave it a minute or so to auto-detect... ? ..."mesa" and "intel-dri" should already be on the CD.
This is dated, but it may be worth a read atleast:
http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?pid=791
Also, as a test, try the "i686" archbang...
If so, then
Even if you get arch going on this, The Intel GPU (4500M) may be the bottleneck here. 420p, 720p and much higher, are very common on youtube video's these days, the GPU , especially full-screen, cannot decode video fast enough without shuttering/cache.... ?
This is just my geuss here.
I had an old 4500M laptop and even (true)720p full-screen was so jerky, it was impossible to watch, and yet you would think 480p should atleast be watchable.?
In other words,
do NOT ask for help on the Arch forums, unless it "strokes" their dev's, and instead, if you're lucky, just search for the problem you have, and then hope that the subject, (or someone?) changes it to "[SOLVED]" -then that way, you'll hopefully get your fix.
- sure,..., that's a lovely way to run an Arch forum, isn't it ? "english", or anywise, .... ?
All I can say is, that I'm soooo happy, that friendly/helpful forums, like archbang, manjaro, bridge,..., exist,
just to "counter" that other ridiculous, and immature mindset.
... and also, They, unfortunately, still haven't realized just how much that "they" actually need forums like us, even if it's just for "FEEDBACK" !
I have one here for $10 Canadian and a case of beer
even better, I'll just upgrade your Internet connection over there, so you stop "whining" constantly about your upload speeds when you're pushing these nice archbang rc-iso's up on Sourceforge.
hehehe![]()
Tried "archbang-rc-15.05.2013-x86_64.iso", and all went well. Thanks, great work.
@pablo: I agree, packer seems to be a bit of a nuisance, it looks like packer was not maintained for quite awhile ?, I quickly read around the arch forums, it appears breunig is gone, and keenerd is in, as a new maintainer.
anyway, I never realized how much I liked packer, until I recently tried to live without it. ![]()
- does Anyone prefer yaourt here, instead ?
as mentioned before, look at the sheer size of debian/buntu forums... and they are not near as "nasty".
But then again debian, moreso the Buntu's are supposed to be much easier to install for n00bs too ? - but, I wouldn't know about that anymore. ![]()
I think also what was helpful/more friendly back then was when Arch had a good Captain in charge -namely, Judd Vinet.
Atmosphere and environments, freindliness, ..., always reflect from the top -> down.
...but that's what Soccer/NFL Football is, sort-of, it's "chess" on a large-scale grid-iron field.
however, you're right, "chess" is useful and utilizes the mind, whereas just watching it, is condoning to our basest desires.![]()
Over in the uk hockey is a girls game....
Yes, we have girls hockey too, but it's called "Figure Skating" here. ![]()
Besides, you guys got Soccer/Fußball, which is much bigger worldwide, than even hockey,...
...just sayin'.
I like all decent (smash-mouth-contact) sports' too.
Thanks goodness they are not using systemd....
now you're "taunting".![]()
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/201 … manno.html
ya I know, it's only Hockey, but still,
it'd be nice to see the Toronto Maple Leafs shoot for the Stanley Cup, being that "...They are the only "Original Six" team which has not won the Stanley Cup championship since...", and for over 45 years.
-Deadhead Fan.
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For not so fast computers also: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1553 … eliability
International Space Station goes Debian.
That's hilarious.
They had to go to "space" before they finally realized "Unix/Linux" is the "best" OS platform, to use for everything.
...ok, well now, if only the rest of the world on planet earth would realize that. ?![]()
Hey, after updating my system. Chromium will not boot and gives me this error:
/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libpng16.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.
I tried retrieving the files from SourceForge and installing them myself, but I did not install the files correctly.
What do you mean by "...Chromium will not boot..."
Is it an arm-uP?, is this a Chromebook, ... ?
Or, is it that Chromium (web-browser) doesn't fire up, aka, Apps do NOT boot. ![]()
Lack of info, ends up as lack of potential answers ?
nice find @Mr. G
right now I do agree with your: "... more for older hardware, small servers..."
but even though, that's still good too.![]()
http://www.cleanclothes.org/
More
The only thing we seem to be able to do nowadays is to be critical consumers: http://www.fairwear.nl/36/brands/
Thanks for the "fairwear" link.
.., also for the sake of sounding obvious, checkout https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager -search for "vpn". there's some good tips there.
I had sucessfully used networkmanager/openvpn-plugin... with archbang, but that was only once, back in the days "before" systemd. ![]()
Also, there was some known bugs in the past with openvpn and systemd, but they should've also been fixed by now.
Anyway, along with what Mr. G and Oliver suggest that you check, I also found this on arch, which may help you troubleshoot this:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150440
and of course, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenVPN -search for "systemd".
But please, if you do post over at the arch forums be aware of: http://archbang.org/news/posting-on-archlinux-forums
hope this helps.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2 … rofit.html
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/01/lobl … -dividend/
http://business.financialpost.com/2013/ … nevitable/
...I'm ashamed and angry at the greed of yet another big Corp, and their greedy shareholders.
Why? -because, If this had been a factory collapse right here in Canada, or America, or Europe, ..., and it killed 400 Canadians, or Americans, ..., Loblaws CO's would be charged and put in prison. !
But then again, I really don't want to wonder or imagine about any of that. It's ghastly.
"... Loblaws, Canada’s largest supermarket operator is also to blame for the death of
over 400 workers in the factory collapse in Bangledash...."
(EDIT/UPDATE: "...death toll passes over 500..." http://www.voanews.com/content/banglade … 53678.html )
Galen Weston, CEO of Loblaws, was even quoted recently: "...the collapse of the factory in Bangledash was inevitable...", obviously the "companies" knew about it.
It's shameful when even the loss of Human lives cannot stop the "Fruits of Outsourcing", for the "March of Profits'" !
" ...The people of Bangledash, of those dead, want ALL the Owners, .., responsible, to be charged with murder and hung. ..."
I couldn't agree more.![]()
yes, google is even faster, and less than Ten Minutes.
nice link,
The only thing that I disagree with, in a general-UnixAdmin-sense, is the author's "...Python beats the pants off Bash as a scripting language..." ?
That's just plain wrong, for obviously many reasons, not-to-mention Zsh,... but then again, he was selling/promoting a python book at that time.
Other than that, the way he presents "Python" with examples,.., is very good, and hands-on.
Heck I might even learn python with his approach ?![]()
I suggest modifying the line in ~/.config/obmenu-generator/config.pl
so that it reads:
desktop_files_paths => ['/usr/share/applications','/usr/share/applications/kde4'],
...so that any installed kde apps will show up in the main-menu after.
that is, it worked for me, unless there's a better way ?
Also, you may need to modify the line in your ~/.config/obmenu-generator/config.pl
so that it reads:
desktop_files_paths => ['/usr/share/applications','/usr/share/applications/kde4'],
otherwise, if you install kde apps, they may not show up in the main menu after.
ok, it simply just started working, even though the network was up and fine, maybe it needed time to sync with the mirrors around thx anyway.
Tried archbang-rc-04-04 .... ?, just quickly:
[root@archbang ~]# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
archbang is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
there is nothing to do
[root@archbang ~]# pacman -Ss libreoffice
[root@archbang ~]# pacman -S libreoffice
error: target not found: libreoffice
everything else is fine, network,..., but it can't even find any apps, even though -Syu outputs ok, so what's happening here now ?
I'll go back to testing release for now, just letting you know.
cool, 2112 was definitely one of their greatest musical pinnacles.
and yet, I'm also still surprised why "Yes", and even Deep Purple, or King Crimson, are still not in the RnR HoF yet too ?
... maybe King Crimson I could understand why not, because they were a meld of more to come, but still, ...
Cheers, and Thanks.![]()
... which explains why I guess Karl Marx can never really die.
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/karl-marx/
But of course, even his "ideals" require an "honest" implementation, which capitalist countries would never support, unfortunately.
http://rockhall.com/inductees/rush/
Progressive Rock power-trio, Rush, finally gets into the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame.
It's about dam time !![]()
so what happens if I "change my mind" in the middle of the upload. ?![]()
I guess I've been following this human-genom question for too long now,
But yes, "scary" was the wrong word that I used, since these things that are known, (ie: insane "patents" such as this), go hand-in-hand with the ever-growing corruption of "capitlalism".
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/busin … d=all&_r=0
This and millions of more links like this are very scary. ... you know the rest.
It's kinda like a Corporation/Gov't suddenly decides it's gonna "patent" and own the Internet.
How can ANY Gov't(s)/Supreme Court(s)/Corporation(s) suddenly decide that "they" have the right to "patent", and therefore "own" something that "they" obviously did NOT invent - namely, The Human Genom ,... ???
This could be very sad indeed.
yes, "armchair"-wise, you're on the right track, and a "live" netinstalled=latest version of armchair -the way you envision it - is a possibility for sure.?
even though I'm not quite sure.
you gotta build AUR (packer) from scratch, along/during(pre/post) with any Arch - Netinstall - , that's the best way to ensure an all-around up-to-date complete system,
every time.
at some point, depending on your automation levels, you may/or may not have to deal with a "post-install" script, especially these days, with an Archbang-Live-Netinstall ?
But, you did specify "armchair", so maybe this doesn't apply ?
...it doesn't matter whether we talk about armchair, archbang, or whetever, 'cause at some point you'll have to offer a separate Archbang/armchair "LIVE", and/or an Archbang/armchair "Netinstall" separate iso/download. - sort-of.
oops, I guess I didn't "shutup" now.![]()
nice work Mr. G, keep it up.
...It looks very promising indeed, and since the old "automated netinstall backbone" , ( called "AIF" of Arch) is now long gone, in favour to a more manually configured "AIS", I'm just very glad someone is picking up the gammet to make a potential true ArchBang (automated) "netinstall" a reality, especially because of things like "systemd", ..., that need to be easily setup for ppl to not worry about...
It's gonna be a "beaaatch", but it will be well worth it, in the long run.
It makes perfect sense anyway, since, imho, Arch already lends itself to being the most bleeding-edge of ALL Linux distro's.
...k, I'll shutup now. ![]()
Kudos bud.
Thanks @Handy, for the post.
... regardiing below movie link here, this is obviously just a movie drama, back in '07, but you could easily substitute "monsanto" everywhere in here (today), and it'll help "open the mind-door" to what these "frankenstein" corps' are really doing today. It's hitting on possible similar things that are actually happening today, IMHO, and not fiction anymore. (...watching between the "hollywood" lines...).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Clayton_%28film%29
... oh and "Tilda Swinton" is pretty "hot" in this.![]()
So here's Zak's reply, regarding and from http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 - with respect of my below question to them.
Please also respect that this is simply their opinion only.
anyway, basically my question was
"Why would the W3C go along with DRM,..., especially if Tim Berners-Lee is still the "Director" of the W3C. ?"
- below is Zak's reply/opinion :
Hi Richard,
We agree that it's unfortunate for the W3C to take this direction, even with Tim Berners-Lee still at the helm. I can't know exactly what's going on in the
boardrooms where these decisions are made, but here's a general explanation: many web companies (like Netflix, i.e.) that have sway in the W3C are
beholden to Hollywood and other Big Media contracts. Big Media wants DRM on the Web because it makes it easier for them to exercise power over users,
media-distributers and playback-device manufacturers. Big Media uses its influence with Web companies to pressure them to put forward proposals like
this in the W3C.Unfortunately, Tim Berners-Lee has actually endorsed (http://boingboing.net/2013/03/10/tim-be … needs.html) the Encrypted Media
Extensions proposal that would put DRM hooks into HTML. I'm not sure why he did this, but it's pretty unfortunate. I believe that he may actually buy into
the idea that "if we don't appease Hollywood by putting in the DRM that they way, they'll pass us over and use some media-delivery system other than the
Web, so we must accomodate them." A silly argument, to say the least.We are up against some powerful organizations, but we have good tools for this fight and we can win. If you'd like to help more, please get everyone you
know to sign the petition against DRM in HTML 5 at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5 . The more people stand up agains this, the
harder it is for Big Media to slip this through under the radar.Zak Rogoff
Campaigns Manager
Needless to say, I found this interesting and I hope others may as well,
so ya, lets ALL sign the above petition.![]()
sudo systemctl enable rc-local.serviceDo not let scjet see this post he does not like anything related to old init system
HEY!, Haha, I heard that Mr. Green,
and yes, this is yet another example where the good ol'e "Init.system" would have been so much simpler. and more efficient for the OP to implement here, instead of systemd.
Buts that's ok, it's all good.
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I have received a very good reply/explanation of all this potentially intrusive "DRM" into the W3C from the Campaigns Manager, Zak Rogoff.
Out of respect, I have asked him for permission first, before posting his explanatory quote here.
@Handy: thanks for passing this on ...
mmm, It also looks like maybe the "W3C" needs to CLEAN it's own house first, and get rid of it's "poisonous" members !!!
- good ole' wiki to the rescue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
reading under the section "Criticism", near the bottom page.
The W3C has been criticized as being dominated by larger organizations and thus writing standards that represent their interests. ...
LoL, I guess we all know now how "Hollyweb" snuck in. !
The trouble will be trying to "weed" out any other corrupted members of that "consortium", who have obviously been secretly "paid-off".
I'm sorry, but this stuff just drives me nutz.. <frown>
Sooo, I'm gonna pull a (depressing) Aldous Huxley / Arthur C. Clark right now.
... I honestly fear, along with all these iPads'/closed-Tablets/... (which potentially, are not a bad thing, hardware-wise -only if they were more "Open"),
that the whole "Internet" as we know it, is slowly being morphed into a giant interplanetary "sewage"-cable/TV,
and we're ALL witness's to this.
The only way out of this is to support your local "Publicly-owned" broadcasters, make our own movies, and forget all these overpaid hollywood actors,..., (aka I'm sure the (future) Bruce Willis's, and Mel Gibson's will learn to earn a lot less than $20-million per movie?! uhh huh yep.)
UN-subscrice to the HBO's,... and big "Cable/TV" corps/companies/ as well as any of their telecom affiliates. -Don't worry, they will all come crawling back to us, and this time they'll pay us, to watch them.
Even A lot of musicians' these days, don't even bother with the big Record-companies (corporate middlemen) anymore -just look/listen at "Radiohead", ... ?!
- while we're at it, replace ALL corp/telecom/telephone with "publicly"-owned VOIP/Wireless -use the Internet for what it's really worth -namely, US (you and me) !
Uninhibited freedom-of-speech, ..., having access to the truth for ALL, is what this is all really about, without which we are nothing.
any other idea's ?![]()
.... we all know adobe's (32-bit-only Linux) flashjunkin' is just a proprietary piece of kaka,
whereas, I would think, "html5" is to the world-of-web like having a file-system that is universal to ALL OS's,... ? (aka - ZFS would have been nice).
I just don't get this greed-driven DRM stuff once again ?
I thought HTML5 is free/opensource ?! -which means NO DRM allowed ?! I realize that what happened to Linux/Android was great for google, but not so much for us, but wow, not again. !
...maybe "free/opensource" doesn't really mean anything?, but then again, I am not a puppet-"Lawyer", so I guess I really don't know squat about any of this stuff anymore. ![]()
yes, I remember sunsolve, and u're right,
Sun's docs, manual pages,..., were, for the most part, imho, the absolute "reference", when it came to technical documentation's, ... They even made Linux's docs back then, look like a bunch of scribbling-scratch pads.
ahh well
- even though Oracle has tried it's best to "kill" OpenSolaris, it's nice to see "open" sun communities still trying to live on: http://openindiana.org/
check it out.
It's kinda something different from the mind of SgtConker1rhttp://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/150/i/2013/083/7/d/ab_lines_by_sgtconker1r-d5z6mai.png
...yes, nice simple lines,
please add that to the Archbang Wallpaper Pack as well.
thanks.