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#1 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-06-15 05:20:25


Still testing Alpine Linux, really enjoying a systemd free experience. Am working on a poor mans install (not much progress at the moment). Alpine can be run completely from ram therefore works really really fast. You can at the end of a session save your work/setting/configs/packages using a combination of lbu and a package cache. it is perfect for older hardware that has lower specs....

A AlpBang version? well not any time soon, have less time to work on iso as it is... though you never know wink

#2 Re: Pacman/Packages » Updates » 2017-06-14 06:18:21

I tend to update when I boot up laptop, Arch is all about running the latest and greatest. Would not leave it more than a couple of months ...

#3 Re: Openbox » Login manager » 2017-06-14 06:15:08

ArchBang simply logs in automatically via ~/.bash_profile

# Start x on login
if [[ -z $DISPLAY && ! -e /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ]]; then
   exec xinit -- /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp vt7

Comment out those lines and then install lxdm... you will then need to edit /etc/conf.d/xdm to


Then start service...

sudo rc-update add xdm

##Note you may need xorg-xdm if not loaded when you install lxdm

#4 Re: Installation » Issue installing ArchBang from Guide [Solved] » 2017-06-06 00:03:27

Still have no idea what the problem is with syslinux or grub install.. would suggest following rabbits advice....

#5 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-06-03 04:34:22


Managed to build and install, note I do not use Openbox!!!

#6 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-06-03 04:04:26

Have heard good things about Voidlinux it has runit init and is based on musl. Maybe they have more package you need. Certainly Archlinux has the package base but I am slowly drifting away from using it. Have Alpine installed on my laptop and am currently testing it. As I use i3 have no need to that many gui apps..... prefer to work in a terminal.

As for an alpine based <foo>bang that is going to be more difficult as you know, less packages available.

It really does not matter that some things do not work, with linux there are many ways to do what you need.

#7 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-06-01 14:01:00

Only major issue I have is nm-applet, I cannot get it to see local devices. As yet no fix but am working on it....

Are you running edge (and testing) not checked openbox obconf.

Think that for docker,server,nfs Alpine would be fine... desktop applications do seem to be lacking.

Do love using it, Alpine takes up no room is fast, light and best of all systemd.

#8 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-05-30 13:40:17


Network manager applet was not working not sure why yet! Went with wpa_supplicant and have a wifi connection.

As you can see I have Firefox

Sorted audio

You do have to add user to groups to allow things to work, namely wheel, audio, video.

Thinking network manager might be a group thing (will search about that)

Next I will add a login manager lxdm....

Also remember to add tmpfs to fstab

#9 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-05-30 12:02:34

I am very close to a full install of Alpine Linux with all the applications from ArchBang (am running i3 window manager). Alpine does take a little more work to get running than arch, you do need dbus installed and running.

Need to get network manager up and running then I can report back.

#10 Re: Announcements » News! » 2017-05-30 09:22:53

Edit /etc/apk/repositories and uncomment edge urls, comment ones with 3.5... do apk update and apk upgrade then do a search for packages.... apk search

#11 Announcements » News! » 2017-05-28 12:13:28

Mr Green
Replies: 16

I have recently been offered a new job. It will mean that I want to focus on getting settled in before releasing summer iso. However I will update current rc version early next month.

Over the past few months I have had no donations towards hosting and web space which is sad but I understand that Linux should be free as in beer. Any loose change down the sofa would help ?

Looking at Alpine Linux again. A distro that reminds me of early Arch (less systemd). Compact fast easy to install and has a reasonable package database. Did you know it can run pacman package manager?

#12 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-05-28 12:07:11

I do not have the issue under virtualbox, had no luck with syslinux for no real reason.sure grub can still be installed manually but I guess I need to check script to see if it has an issue.

Thank you for confirming and letting me know

#13 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-05-25 10:03:12

Its a shame because it is so easy to install and once you switch to 'edge' you get a very update system.... not sure what packages you are needing. Certainly something I am really looking at at the moment.

On Virtualbox I have done three installs honing each system as I learn..

#14 Re: Installation » OpenRC and 970 graf card » 2017-05-23 08:25:38

Quite surprised that syslinux works. Grub might have the same issue related to video drivers... know that under virtualbox with grub I could only get X by installing virtualbox modules.

Am interested to know if uefi actually works

#15 Re: Installation » OpenRC and 970 graf card » 2017-05-21 11:21:39

vesa live is ok, but I was looking to get information on a real install. I have my laptop running OpenRC without any issues Boot times are slightly slower than systemd but that could be addressed. The new iso has vesa driver included again. The issue I was having under VirtualBox was post install.... you then have to load virtual modules/drivers to get X to work.

#16 Re: Installation » OpenRC and 970 graf card » 2017-05-21 03:49:59

Are you using nvidia or nouveau driver ?

#17 Re: Installation » OpenRC and 970 graf card » 2017-05-21 01:16:37

Post output of:

lspci -vv | grep VGA

#18 Re: Installation » OpenRC and 970 graf card » 2017-05-20 22:50:22

I know that last iso works live, at least in virtualbox. My issue was with vesa driver on install you get the issue you were having, by removing vesa driver x would start.. still have no idea why....

Normally x drivers are loaded correctly without any real need to create xorg.conf.

Am still wary of making a full release until this is resolved.

#19 Re: Introductions » Former diehard CrunchBang enthusiast giving the Arch world a whirl! » 2017-05-20 01:11:34

@equi its more than likely system is very out of date...

Maybe try

sudo pacman -Syyu

irssi is available, could not find mocp

#20 Re: Installation » Stuck at login » 2017-05-20 01:08:16

Might have found the problem, I removed vesa driver as installs were not running correctly. You will have more luck if you set up mirrors then install the following

sudo pacman -Syyu xf86-video-vesa

Assuming a working network connection system should update then install driver and X will appear.

Will get an updated iso uploaded asap wink

#21 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-05-18 13:26:39

Not a question of dropping i686, simply that arch will no longer support it. I would seriously look at Alpine Linux Openrc and 32 bit yummy!

#22 Re: Installation » Stuck at login » 2017-05-18 13:24:40

Oh man I cannot remember the fix, try removing nv and vesa via pacman..... think this issue was something I had under virtual box too

#23 Re: Installation » Stuck at login » 2017-05-18 00:14:56

Use nomodeset then at login enter ablive (no password), have a feeling it will simply try to start X...

Plan B!

At login enter root (no password) then edit /home/ablive/.bash_profile

#if [[ -z $DISPLAY && ! -e /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ]]; then
#   exec xinit -- /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp vt7

Comment out lines as above save and exit root login, then login again as ablive you should be able to then start xorg manually

$ startx

At least then you will get more information on issue (thinking its the xorg drivers not loading)

#24 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-05-15 12:41:21

Sounds more like a font issue? possibly try a different full font.... When you say anything to do with OpenRC does lxterminal as you wish with systemd?

#25 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-05-13 11:15:28

Adding features adds to iso size. Things like nitrogen which needs its own gui toolkit just does not seem worth the effort live. Post install anything needed are easily installed. Had asked for permission to use arch anywhere scripts to achieve this, but as yet I have head nothing from developer.

#26 Re: Announcements » ArchBang OpenRC Rc iso » 2017-05-10 14:48:14

For summer release I will of course make sure that users are aware of us going systemd free. Certainly on source forge here on forums. To be honest there has not been interest on forums lately. Think they have all gone over to ubuntu know that it uses gnome instead on unity. Read that Apricity has stopped being developed that just leaves the likes of manjaro...

Our battle may soon be over.

#27 Re: Announcements » ArchBang OpenRC Rc iso » 2017-05-09 13:31:26

See first post have uploaded a new rc version, now includes firefox and tint2 launchers. Next couple of weeks will start on Summer release, OpenRC only!

#29 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-05-01 11:53:09

Update I have added UEFI support thanks to Chris Cromer, need to remove xf86-video-vesa as xorg fails to start but I will upload new version soon. wink

#30 Re: Artwork & Screenshots » Share your ArchBang Desktop Thread! » 2017-04-30 05:45:21

Very nice wink maybe I should move tint2 to top of screen

#32 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-28 23:40:48

ArchBang is openbox based has all the applications from the old days and now we have OpenRC.

My change to Netsurf was more about reducing ISO size..

If change anything it is to go Openrc only in the near future

#33 Offtopic » No sudo? » 2017-04-28 00:02:42

Mr Green
Replies: 2
$ machinectl shell

Enter your user password......

#34 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-26 03:45:48


Now running 'rc' release, features Netsurf for web browser. Installer is now 90% functional [exception being uefi and syslinux issue].

To run under virtualbox post install you do need virtualbox-guest-utils-openrc, select virtualbox-guest-modules-arch from groups options.

Log in as normal user then:

Edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist with your nearest servers

sudo nano /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist


sudo pacman -Syyu

to update

sudo pacman -S virtualbox-guest-utils-openrc

[select arch modules options 2]
Add vboxservice

sudo rc-update add vboxservice


sudo reboot



d3daab51aac9e0c21a1243923f471efb43edf50c00d34a357e5efb0f308a4461  archbang-openrc-rc-260417-x86_64.iso

#35 Re: Announcements » ArchBang OpenRC Rc iso » 2017-04-25 12:30:13

Update removed hardware clock from installer, you only really have two options UTC or local [Default is UTC]. To change to local you simply edit /etc/conf.d/hwclock

clock="UTC" # simply change to local

Service 'hwclock' added ...

Timezone should now be fixed (have to test)

Do have an issue with syslinux but I know Grub is working fine, looking to get uefi working in the near future.

#36 Re: Announcements » ArchBang OpenRC Rc iso » 2017-04-24 12:07:38

Try latest beta installer is close to working, think timezone was the only issue (something I am working on). Also with a VM you will need to load virtualbox-guest-utils-openrc for x to work.

Please bear in mind that Openrc version is very much beta wink

#37 Announcements » ArchBang OpenRC Rc iso » 2017-04-23 04:15:53

Mr Green
Replies: 9 … ng-OpenRC/

sha256sum archbang-openrc-rc-200517.iso 

Updated packages restored vesa driver....

#38 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-22 09:43:04

Am working my way through installer and should have figured most of issues [x keyboard needs work]. Something I am going to do is switch to Netsurf browser... this should give you an idea why

firefox                 119.94 MiB (179.41 MiB)
Exclusive dependencies:  59.47 MiB
Shared dependencies:    523.03 MiB
Total dependencies:     582.50 MiB (702.44 MiB)

community/netsurf         4.36 MiB (  7.44 MiB)
Exclusive dependencies:   3.08 MiB
Shared dependencies:    357.82 MiB
Total dependencies:     360.90 MiB (365.26 MiB)

A user post-install can install whatever browser they wish...

#39 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-22 06:52:19

Of course, editing the file manually is possible as well to diversify the locale variables.
FILE /etc/env.d/02localeSetting the default system locale in /etc/env.d/02locale


It's also possible, and pretty common especially in a more traditional UNIX environment, to leave the global settings unchanged, i.e. in the C locale. Users can still specify their preferred locale in their own shell RC file:

Simply put, you look at OpenRC section and then read what files need editing... commands that are shown are mostly of course related to Gentoo to make changes easier. It is a good source of information which you will not find on Arch wiki.

#40 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-22 01:17:58

Fast-install may work, however I did try current installer and it failed. Have added normal abinstall but it will need work to make it Openrc friendly. Automounting thought was ok, again something I will look at...

Might seem odd for an arch based distro but Gentoo wiki is a good resource for Openrc

Take a look in /etc/env.d/02locale wink

#41 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-21 09:31:51

@seventh I do know where it is. I took the photo in Wales (UK) on mount snowden... would certainly wait until I update installer still needs work!!

At some point will add tips for improving boot time, namely removing unwanted services and a minor change in rc.conf.

Need to get a ToDo list started really want to change look and theme, would also like to reduce iso size.

Am very tempted to switch ArchBang to OpenRC only but will wait and see what responses we get.

#42 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-20 12:36:23

Let me know what you did to fix lxterminal then I will take a look, thank you wink

#43 Re: SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-19 14:16:56

Tomorrow night I will upload if I can, still very much beta. Installer will need work, but for now testing live would really help.

#45 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-16 12:55:05

Am on vacation at the moment, last thing I did before leaving was set up a 50gb partition for Openrc build. Checked your screenshot and might alter keyboard shortcuts to something in line with yours.

Thinking of a way to add gparted to main menu live...

#46 SystemD free projects » ArchBang OpenRC release project updates... » 2017-04-13 13:59:36

Mr Green
Replies: 24

I am going to start work again on an OpenRC release of ArchBang. Why? well I think now that i686 is going to be dropped by Archlinux it maybe possible to have free time to build a systemd free version.

Had in the past used a VM to create OpenRC version but that was slow and difficult to test and upload so my plan is to set aside some hard drive space for a real install (and then remove systemd).

My thoughts are that I can install any desktop,window manager, editor (vi or nano) or anything else I chose... so why not an different init system?

Will state as I have in the past that I am not against systemd (use it daily) it is supplied free of charge (and am grateful for all the hard work of Archlinux devs....) so I cannot really complain. They would argue 'if you do not like it use something else!' which again is true.

Anyway stay tuned for some 'beta' systemd free action ;-)

#47 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-09 13:06:40

With virtualbox you do need guest modules, which include drivers for X  and it worked fine.

Live iso works without any issues.

#48 Re: Pacman/Packages » Weird thing » 2017-04-09 11:23:58

You need

makepkg -si

That should install required deps and build package... … he_package

#49 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-09 00:53:28

Generally we figure that a user either may not have an internet connection or cannot set up wifi for whatever reason. A user can at least set up a disc and install a system without any network connection. This has always been how ArchBang installer works. We do not rely on a network connection to install.

That said Archlinux is very much a network based distribution, simply to keep system bleeding edge and allow a user to install packages.

Shipping with a smaller browser live such as netsurf does save quite a bit of space.

My only other option would be a 'light' version that simply had a desktop with installer  and some means of installing 'missing' packages live...

pacman -Syyu firefox --noconfirm

Maybe from a menu driven script or via openbox menu...

#50 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-08 00:58:28

Tint2conf added.

Usually switch to netsurf as a lighter browser for rc or beta builds. Heavy apps include firefox, grub, gparted and now gvfs...

Must start work on Openrc version....

#51 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-03 12:53:59

Might look at a way of adding tint2conf to menu (as it's installed anyway). In a similar light things like obkey and obmenu could be added. Without checking I do not think #! has a dynamic menu.

From my point of view things that add weight but have no real benefit live are what I try to avoid, Firefox is a case in point. It requires both gtk2 and gtk3 toolkits. If I could run say gtk3 only I could lose around 50mbs from iso. This ultimately means more gui goodness wink

#52 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-03 00:47:54

Obconf and lxappearance are included live, just not part of main menu (maybe need a sub menu for them!). Not sure if I want to add nitrogen live, it drags in another gui toolkit and does not seem to make much sense live. Post install perhaps? wink ... not heard of conky-manager again it is worth loading live?

Post-install things you have posted maybe part of lilo script....

Edit Added Settings menu with Obconf and Lxappearance

#53 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-02 03:53:59

Well it something that could certainly be added to post-install script, did notice that !# does include things like libreoffice, vlc etc...

This is what our installer was based on (well most of it!), the lilo script is kind of the way forward post install

#54 Announcements » ArchBang Rc release with some minor added extras. » 2017-04-02 03:16:04

Mr Green
Replies: 0

Uploaded 'rc' version of ArchBang … chBang-Rc/

222f1e61dcacecd6d2c8aac0506e3a43cb9c288942dc3d922ef1f177efcfce83  archbang-rc-0417-x86_64.iso

Key changes include:

Updated packages
Packer install script
Installer is now in main openbox menu
Shortcut keys back in conky
Switched background

#55 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-02 03:12:42

Uploading new 'rc' version with of course updated packages, installer from main menu, packer install script and of course key shortcuts in conky wink

#56 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-02 00:09:00

It has always been a trade off when building iso to keep it within 700mbs. Over the years the iso has grown from around 450 to now 600mbs+. Perfectly aware that with usb drive/sticks there is no real limit but it does take time to build iso and upload it, reducing this helps me quite a bit. With i686 being dropped by Arch my work is halved wink.

Back on topic....

We can make ArchBang feel more like Crunchbang, it was more the fact that we are based on openbox rather than bigger desktops like xfarce! or mate.

Post-install script does sound like a good idea, what to include?

Tried so hard not to do much hand holding with users, they do need to learn Arch to get the best from it.

Monara never heard of it

#57 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-01 13:45:05

Downloaded crunch++ see what all the fuss is about, packer install will be added to next release....

#58 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-04-01 04:42:38

Reflector needs python, something we do not ship live. However subject to a network connection do not see why you could not load it live.... need to find or create packer script (aur tools) post install.

#59 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-03-31 12:13:36

Yes a simple sed line should work, will of course test before release. Adding back in onscreen keyboard shortcuts (conky)

#60 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-03-31 07:11:18

Installer added to main menu for next release, keybinds will return in conky

#61 Re: Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-03-30 12:27:22

Keybinds are in openbox menu, can easily add them back into conky. Installer used to be part of main menu but it was a pain to remove it post install. Again something I could look at for summer release. We did have packer install script (post install) live it is not something I would add as you need base-devel packages.

A fully updateable (if that is the word!) could be done by installing to usb device then simply updating it to have the latest and greatest packages on the go.

#62 Announcements » Quiet on forums so thoughts on Summer release » 2017-03-29 11:02:29

Mr Green
Replies: 40

Been very quiet on forums over past couple of weeks, my thoughts are on summer release and anything I can add or remove to make it even better. Still very much on the fence about making ArchBang systemd free, while I want to go down the OpenRC route (and have no problem in doing so) concerned of effect on new users coming to ArchBang.

Will say that i686 version of ArchBang will no longer be available there seems little need for it (and looking at downloads it reflects this).

Might put out an rc update very soon if only to get kernel more up to date.

#63 Re: Installation » spring release question » 2017-03-19 01:36:10

I simply remove service from /etc/systemd/system, the directory is used by systemd to start services there automatically.

Load up lxdm start and enable it service then edit /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf as required.

There are of course other login managers available wink

#64 Re: Hardware & Multimedia » Gstreamer-base-plugins problem » 2017-03-18 02:12:53

Looks like many packages are being removed as they are not being updated/maintained.... … 28638.html

#65 Re: Installation » spring release question » 2017-03-18 02:11:02

ArchBang is basic because it was always meant to reflect the mighty CrunchBang distribution. Applications are kept to a bare minimum to allow a user to try out Archlinux or install and then create their own system. We do not ship with lxdm, basically we use an autostart method based on getty (take a look at /etc/systemd/system) then X is started via bash_profile.

We always welcome comments and suggestions, any additional packages or changes that could be made to make ArchBang even better.

#66 Re: Pacman/Packages » Pacman fails to run » 2017-03-16 14:34:23

You should always check what package owns lzo file before deleting it, there could be a number of reasons why file is already in system.

Have you tried to reinstall lzo? looks like it is required by cairo...

Did you force or install anything that was not via pacman? or from aur?

#68 SystemD free projects » OpenRC guide for going systemd free [Work in Progress] » 2017-03-11 02:49:10

Mr Green
Replies: 0

You will a wealth of information here

This guide assumes you are comfortable working in a terminal and for the sake of testing I would recommend running inside a virtual machine (Virtualbox).

In this guide you will be able to convert a stock ArchBang install to OpeRC and remove systemd in the process.

1) Edit /etc/pacman.conf and add the following...

SigLevel  = Never
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist-openrc

SigLevel  = Never
Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist-openrc

2) Create openrc mirrorlist-openrc

## Arch Linux OpenRC repository mirrorlist
## Generated on 2016-06-09

Server =$repo/$arch
Server =$repo/$arch
Server =$repo/$arch

3) Update repos and prepare for OpenRC install

 sudo pacman -Syyu

#69 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-03-06 10:14:34

Starting to think there is an issue with Grub, going to test under VM then report back. Hopefully syslinux is ok, at least then you may have more of a chance to install and have a running system to work from. Be mindful that gpt devices are let say more complicated to set up.

Following your grub guide I got install working under Virtualbox, did have to load virtualbox-guest-utils to get xorg to work.... Going to check installer

#70 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-03-05 04:42:17

Not seen or heard from the wandering sage Oliver for quite sometime... think he has gone over to the dark side Windows 10!

#71 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-03-05 04:32:20

Used to have may more groups set up out of the box, since systemd takes over everything took most of them away...

#72 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-03-05 04:19:08

Not sure fully on pcmanfm support, spacefm would mount external drives out of the box. I personally use command line for mounting, know there are many options...

Might look at adding udevil, pmount is handy via command line.

Only reason I switched was the fact SpaceFM has gone into aur... not impossible to add but does create more work during iso build.

#73 Re: Announcements » ArchBang Spring Release March 2017 » 2017-03-03 23:48:19

Sorry wanted to get isos up, will check guide and edit my first post.... figured screenshot would say more than words wink

#74 Announcements » Blown away by..... » 2017-03-03 01:38:06

Mr Green
Replies: 0

Over 1000+ downloads on new release in 2 days an all time record... Want to thank you all for your time and support.. wink

Gives me the drive I need to get working on Summer release which is going to be even better !!!!!

#75 Re: Openbox » Adding power options tint2 » 2017-03-03 01:28:09

Think if you combine launcher with oblogout then its win win. May look at this as an option in next release, possibly a simple menu..... … n-openbox/

Install gxmessage then above will work


gxmessage "Are you sure you want to shut down your computer?" -center -title "Take action" -font "Sans bold 10" -default "Cancel" -buttons "_Cancel":1,"_Log out":2,"_Reboot":3,"_Shut down":4 >/dev/null

case $? in
echo "Exit";;
killall openbox;;
sudo shutdown -r now;;
sudo shutdown -h now;;

You may want to change case options, openbox --exit, systemctl poweroff .....

Just giving more ideas wink

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